. >> rose: we broader our discussion to include david kilcullen, michael hanna and bill spindle. >> they have been competing in fighting each other in the streets of syria, they're very different and in fact although they're just as brutal as each other and have a similar jihadist ideology this is a turf battle. and if isis comes out on top it could look more dang wrong than what we are used to in the threat of the past few years. >> the treat of isis in iraq and syria, and then appreciation of lauren bacall when we continue. >> funding for charlie rose is provided by the following: >> there's a saying around here: you stand behind what you say. around here, we don't make excuses, we make commitments. and when you can't live up to them, you own up and make it right. some people think the kind of accountability that thrives on so many streets in this country has gone missing in the places where it's needed most. but i know you'll still find it, when you know where to look. >> rose: additional funding provided by: >> and by bloomberg. a provider of multimedia news and information services

joining me now from washington, d.c., is david kilcullen, one of the country's leading experts. he served as an advisor to general david petraeus and was one of the leading architects of the u.s. troop surge in iraq. david, describe what the effect in strategic terms would be if, as president obama suggested, these airstrikes will just continue for weeks, perhaps even longer. >> well, i think the most important strategic effect is that it changes the calculus for isis. if we think about how the predecessor to isis, al qaeda and iraq operated during the iraq war, it was covert, underground, guerrilla warfare strategy. civilian clothes, operating at night, bombings, killings, so on. that couldn't be more different from how isis is operating in the blitz that it's been operating in iraq for the last several months. it's operating in the daylight, tanks, rumors of helicopters, people swarming across the desert in what we call technicals, pickup trucks with heavy weapons. it's operating in a much more conventional state-like sort of light cavalry tactical framework. that works when th

washington,rom david kilcullen, a former counterinsurgency senior adviser.ere in new york, michael hanna, a senior fellow at the foundation and bill spindle, middle east bureau chief for the washington journal. let me begin with something you had said, michael. assessment on iraq has to be one of interest and threats. buttics can't locate doesn't change those things. is the politics of iraq changing so it will make a more effective response to isis? >> it is getting there. we are still at the start of this process. signals that he appears to be going along, but is still trying to hold out, looking at the supreme court perhaps as a way out. it is a matter of time. he doesn't have the political support on the ground. the question is, whether you can time the politics with the security. the security situation is a serious one that is not going to wait for political progress. it is clear that political progress is a necessary step. there is this military component that is going to be indispensable in trying to blunt the forward momentum of isis. >> where did you