and david koch's astroturf group the americans for prosperity foundation which you know one of his own editorial board members. collecting. i think about one hundred eighty thousand dollars in speaking fees from the americans for prosperity foundation iraq's editorial board yes the wall street journal editorial board member and yet he goes there and reports columns and not disclosing this relationship be of lied to public officials and official investigations by in the silence a troublesome troublous on the side of the atlantic. this is. the i was speaking with victoria johnson to operate a news service i think you may know her white house correspondent maybe for history she's british but she's an american citizen now and this was yesterday and i said is it possible. that the the same standard operating procedures that would happen in the u.k. for which people are going down going to jail have been happening in the murdoch empire here in the united states specifically functions well street journal and her comment was today is the first day that means stream journalists will ask tha

koch as well. i've had a few brief interactions with david as well. one claim is that they're hiding the ball on what they do. they fund a huge amount of staff including things like the new york city ballet and stuff like that, and they do fund libertarian organizations. charles koch was one of the founding partners of the cato institute, but they are totally open about it. david koch's name has been on our mast and on our board of trustees. there is another dozen people on there for as long as he's been part of it. >> when did you make the shift from being the editor of the magazine to running reason.tv? >> well i started at the magazine virginia postrel hired me in 1993. she moved on to write books fulltime. she was writing columns at various other places. in 2000 i became editor of the magazine -- in 2000 and then late 2007/early 2008 i became editor-in-chief of reason.tv, when we brought matt welch, my co-author of "declaration of independents," who had worked for the magazine and then gone over to the l.a.times. >> and why did you do it? >> well

david koch, his group back in january of 200, highered 80 organizers to go across the country. >> whenrganize, their job was to go around the country and organize tea party members and events? >> they were using a lot of same tactics that obama employed, created neighborhood groups, jn line technology. but what they were doing that is different that other social movements is tens of millions in advertising, they had fox news. they were galvanizing people in a very efficient and methodical way. they couldn't tell people, we need the tea party to help us with taxes, they today use conspiracy peps they had to say that health reform is about killing grandma. >> lee, i have to go. thank you so much. this is interesting. we will have you back. think progress, lee