. >> my name is david koresh. >> david koresh. >> my name is david koresh. >> to his followers david koresh was a messiah. >> god speaks to me. >> manifestation of god in the flesh. >> we believe this man had the truth. >> but to the u.s. government, david koresh was a threat. >> machine guns and explosive devices. >> in 1993, they went to war in waco. >> this ain't america anymore when the atf has that kind of power. >> it ended in catastrophe. 86 people dead. including at least 24 children. >> there had been nothing like this before. the siege was new and unique in american law enforcement history. >> if you distrust the government, waco is going to be symbolic to a lot of people of what they really fear. >> i'm talking to you, somebody's going to get hurt. >> if he asks god for some kind of sign and god gives it, what does that mean? >> every saturday morning clive doyle and sheila martin study the bible. >> behold, the lord god will come with a strong arm. >> they are about all that's left in waco of the branch davidians, an offshoot of the seventh day adventist church. the religi

david koresh came to the faith and its texas commune in 1981. who was he back then, to you? a bum. >> reporter: former branch davidian kathy jones and her husband david had seen religious visionaries come and go. >> god speaks to me. >> reporter: this time was different. koresh would preach his way to power. >> i remember in the beginning, everybody was like, oh, he's crazy. he's this and that. i mean, that's all i heard. all of a sudden people were like, well, we're listening to him. he has a message. >> one, two, three, four. .♪ >> reporter: the message was a spell-binding account of revelation. the new testament's final book. ♪ revelation 14 his message >> reporter: koresh claimed he alone could explain the book's mysterious verses of the battle between the armies of god almighty and satan. >> i mean, there are some things that god has concealed in his written words that are to be brought to do right before the end of time. >> i confronted him, yes. >> reporter: branch davidian charles pace says he warned church elders in 1984 that koresh was a disaster waiting to happen.

. >> my name is david koresh. >> david koresh. >> my name is david koresh. >> to his followers david koresh was a messiah. >> god speaks to me. >> manifestation of god in the flesh. >> we believe this man had the truth. >> reporter: but to the u.s. government, david koresh was a threat. >> machine guns and explosive devices. >> reporter: in 1993, they went to war in waco. >> this ain't america anymore when the atf has that kind of power. >> reporter: it ended in catastrophe. 86 people dead. including at least 24 children. >> there had been nothing like this before. the siege was new and unique in america law enforcement history. >> if you distrust the government, waco is going to be symbolic to a lot of people of what they really fear. >> i'm talking to you, somebody's going to get hurt. >> if he asks god for some kind of sign and god gives it, what does that mean? >> reporter: every saturday morning clive doyle and sheila martin study the bible. >> god will come with strong hand -- >> reporter: they are about all that's left in waco of the branch davidians, an offshoot of the seventh

three quarters of those are david koresh's own children. despite the carnage, some still keep faith in their texan messiah. bonnie haldeman: i believe david will be resurrected. and i'm gonna see my grandchildren again. clive doyle: i believe that in a sense god was willing to sacrifice this group of people for a greater cause. but others see koresh in a different light. david thibodeau: david's biggest failure was the fact that the kids were not released during the siege at some point. that's the unforgivable thing is that these kids never had a chance. the fbi was also left to account for its own failures. it had tragically misread the cult and made a series of disastrous tactical mistakes. byron sage: we grossly underestimated the extent of control that david koresh held over all of those people. clint van zandt: i think the federal government failed. i think koresh's master plan was carried out by david koresh. and i think we - fbi, atf, other agencies - i think we facilitated that master plan. we didn't nail him on the cross, we burned

david koresh, messiah. >> what can i say? they call me a rambling man, don't they? anyway, god bless and we'll sign off. >> good evening. welcome to this special report "sex, lies and audiotape." the case of jodi arias. people have looked slack jawed at the testimony. we now know the things that she and her boyfriend did right up until she shot, stabbed and slashed him to death. just who is this woman? is she a murderer? tonight, you can watch the testimony and decide for yourself. reporting for us tonight is randi kaye. >> thank you, anderson. jodi arias, cold-blooded killer or long suffering victim? we've been mesmerized by the tragic tale of fatal attraction. tonight, a killer in her own words as jodi arias fights from having to pay the ultimate price. the testimony is graphic, both the images and language and may be too explicit for younger viewers. ♪ a new and glorious morn fall on your knees ♪ >>> jodi arias has sung a lot of different tunes since this picture of bliss turned into a bloodbath. ♪ oh night divine >> a grisly tale of passion gone wrong. of sex, l

reasonable to say that i mean i'm thinking of tim mcveigh and and that was on the second anniversary of david koresh and waco and i grew up in michigan and you know i've known some guys who were in the machine michigan militia i don't know anybody who's ever committed a crime but these guys were serious about having a lot of guns and twenty years ago they're still around what. it what's the ratio of white christians to dark skinned muslims who have committed crimes against the united states and does the f.b.i. as attention to the potential to mcveigh's in the world match that ratio in their intent attention to the potential. fall of the times square bomber right so there's far more attention paid to islamic terrorism than there is to domestic terrorism and it is the result of that is kind of an exaggerated effect that there are so many more court cases involving islamic terrorism than there are involving say white supremacist groups or right wing groups but the results but the reason for that is that the f.b.i. is using informants in german. ways to troll muslim communities offering them the opportu

is -- >> that's a little dicey -- >> stephanie: enemy combatants -- >> are you talking about a david koresh carolina. >> caller: hey, steph this is -- i got a couple of things first of all is there any way we can impeach ron paul just for stupidity. >> stephanie: that's not an impeachable offense. >> otherwise there wouldn't have been a george w. bush administration. >> caller: that's true. i called my congress because i wanted to know what kind of hit the congress was taking because of the sequestration. and i had a staffer tell me it was constitutionally wrong for them to take any kind of a cut, and i hadn't heart about that. >> stephanie: to take a pay cut -- i think a democratic senator actually proposed them passing a law -- >> yeah, but they can't. it's unconstitutional or something. >> stephanie: twenty-nine minutes after the hour. right back on the "stephanie miller show." ♪ those types are coming on to me all the time now. >> she gets the comedians laughing... >> that's hilarious! >> ...and the thinkers thinking. >> okay, so there's wiggle-room in the ten commandments is what you'r