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and the former executive director of human rights watch also in new york is david l. phillips and jumped professor at georgetown university school of foreign service . i'm a full met senior advisor to the us state department. welcome to or if you gentlemen kind of, i want to start with you. why is trump doing this? america's not even a member of the i c c. so what is trump's motivation in carrying out this executive order? well trumps view of international justice is that is for other people, not for americans or their allies and their been elements of disposition, but the us government has maintained going back to the origins of the dreadful criminal court at the original negotiations in rome, that was the main us position where they were happy with the court having trish fiction by a means that washington could control. so, you know, they, they were okay with the veterans restriction over the citizens of governments that joined the court because the us government had no intention of joining. they were okay with jurisdiction confirmed confirmed by the un security council beca