so i mean, all of the teacher da -- >> rose: you liked the life they had, david ledbetter. >> my whole life is the search for the perfect shot. putting and chipping, i don't find it sexy, i recognize its place in the game and its importance but a lot of the current statistics that are coming out of, i work with a professor of columbia named dr. -- >> rose: in is a great story. he is doing the numbers. >> yes. he is doing the numbers, he just wrote a book i wrote the foreword for that every shot counts and he shows without a doubt, i mean, without a doubt the old adage of drive for show, putt for dough is not true and if you look at, you know, if you look at the top ten ball-strikers in the world they kind of average about 14 method the world ranking, okay, if you look at the top ten putters in the word they average about 62, the big difference, especially with the courses getting bigger and bigger one of the main elements is being able to hit it far, not so much accurate, but far and second rough is not the way it used to be, it is not as long but secondary to that is from 175 to 250 y