. >> jimmy: this is you, david lee roth and sean penn. >> and i don't know who that is. >> jimmy: yeahmy: this is before "licensed to ill" came out, right? >> a couple years before, yeah. >> jimmy: wow, how did you get to open up for madonna before you had an album out? >> well, you know why. >> jimmy: no, i don't know why. why? >> no, i don't know if you actually know why. >> jimmy: i don't. >> i just assumed that. we -- >> jimmy: i do. [ laughter ] >> we -- madonna was going to go on tour and her manager called our manager, russell simmons. >> jimmy: the russell simmons, yeah. [ cheers and applause ] >> you don't have to do that. >> jimmy: yeah, they do. >> so, madonna's manager called. russell simmons said, "i'm interested. we want to see if run-dmc will open for madonna on tour." and he was like, "yeah, they'd do it but they want $50 grand a a night." so, they came -- he called back and was like, "well, we can't do that, but what about the fat boys?" and he said, "oh, the fat boys can't do it. they're busy that summer." but he didn't manage the fat boys. he was like, "well, i've go