our last of the speakers before we turn to our respondents is david lesch, with the title of what guidesods under a syrian leadership. >> thank you, john, and it's always good to be here with my friend john duke anthony, and he was very influential in my early career about 20 years ago, and i'm catching up to you now in grey here. so that's always a privilege and pleasure to be within. i would say more nice things about him but i don't have time. i think my value added to this panel because particularly no newspaper eyed we with much of what she said. is to present a view of the world from damascus, from bashar al-assad and the leadership. and has some of you know, i met with him on a regular basis between 2004-2009. as well as much, not much, but a good many of the syrian leadership during that time and thereafter. so i think i have a fairly decent idea about how they do the world. i think it's important in terms of how to craft policy toward this particular leadership. obviously, the popular today is bashar has become the middle is tired. he unleashes a force on entire population at th