we have kelley ann, keith and david limbaugh. before we reconvene, i want to put up on the board, health care insurance companies have done very well the past month. interesting, united health care, 12.97%, humana, 12.42%, aetna 7% and wellpoint, up. all four indicating the government won't pass. if that won't pass, keith, what will happen. >> it will pass. there will be health care reform this year. >> will the government insurance plan go through. >> it will include some sort of competitive element whether government option with government insurance or non-profit co-op. you have to do something to drive down the cost. people talk about the expense of this program, you're talking about a trillion a lot of money over ten years, the federal government under george bush spent $800 billion in one day to bail out the banks. can't we spend a portion of that to bail out the american people. >> this will be a double. david limbaugh, interesting, the white house wants everyone to send in their fishy e-mails opposing it. keith hennessey w

>> no, no. >> it winds up helping rush limbaugh. >> david is right. ago, we sent out a memo say rush limbaugh was the leader of the republican party. he helped to whip up this frenzy. when we did it, we knew there was one big risk if a leading national republican stood up and denounced limbaugh, he or she would become the leader. i was worried na mithat mike hue or sarah palin would do that. bill clinton picked big fights with labor unions. barack obama picked a big fight with the clintons. strong leaders have to take on the tired leadership of their party. >> hold your thoughts for a second. i am going to take a quick commercial break. town hall free for alls. what's behind the screaming and yelling at these meetings on health care reform? hillary clinton ran the last major effort on health care reform. now, what is it like to watch from the sidelines. >> do you ever wish you were back in the white house running? >> i feel like i gave. i gave my blood, sweat, and tears and i simply -- you know why i sell tools? tools are uncomplicated? nothing compli

limbaugh should apologize? >> huge run government-run bureaucracy. >> joe, that's not the question. hang on, david. ay for crazy, crazy fun that i'm going to ask awe question and you'll answer it. do you think rush limbaugh should apologize for using the nazi symbol in the health care dialogue as david just suggested? yes or no? >> no. this is a free country. absolutely not. i don't think he has to. >> that's fine. we're good. everybody is entitled to their opinion. fine. it's okay. >> that's exactly right. >> thank you for the answer. joe, i appreciate the fact you answered my question, most notably. i thank you, david, for your time. this conversation, obviously, will continue. we are back at the meeting after this. change it up a bit... and you're sure to get a reaction. [ motorcycle engine growl ] ♪ don't let erectile dysfunction slow things down. ♪ viva viagra! viagra, america's most prescribed ed treatment, can help you enjoy a more satisfying sexual experience. to learn more, cruise on over to viagra.com. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. don't take viagra if you take n

david, that is the question. that what's going on here and how does the president retake center stage? >> i hadn't seen the rush limbaughhing. that is insane. what he's saying is insane. the first thing is it has been conventional wisdom among the smartest people in washington, this is a tough issue that needs to be done on a bipartisan basis. the obama administration decided not to. leaders of both parties could have gone out to the meetings. they didn't do that. they chose more or less a democratic plan and now all hell is breaking loose. it's not just the crazy, among who we just saw some. if you take overall ratings for health care, the american public is as skeptical as they were when clinton care collapsed. so, it's not just the crazies. the is a real public concern about real issues. >> when you look at this from the approval rating and the quinnipiac poll, the president's handling of health care. here are the numbers. approvals at 39%, disapprovals at 52%, erin. that's the question. big battle lines about whether this is manufactured grassroots organizing, opposition against health care. the truth is there are p

david scott says it should remind people to tone down the rhetoric. several conservatives have made nazi references about health care reform, including radio host rush limbaughwill find that the obama health care logo is damn close to a nazi swastica logo. >> congressman scott's office was vandalized less than a week after he got into a heated argument about health care in a meeting. >>> another attack like the oklahoma city bombing could be a matter of time. that's what an atf agent total a civil rights group. it says anti militia governments are popping up at an alarming rate, opposing tax skbs liberal policies. the report also says others might be reacting to the country's first african-american president. but the atf agents did say there are not as many violent threats and acts right now compared to the 1990s. >>> new video shows massive mudslides and hundreds of people stranded in mountain towns. a deadly typhoon triggered mud slides and floods in china. helicopters are plucking survivors from villages. and food and water is being dropped for people waiting to be rescued. rain may ease up today, helping rescue efforts. >>> a police report shows that a f

limbaugh, legal challenges that docked the clinton administration, the robust talking points and political activity we are all seeing played out today in this debate. that stuff all was brand new. davidrites about this eloquently in his new book. it took us a long time to figure this out. one reason i got so excited in 2003 when i first met marcos and jerome and i started reading the blog every night. you saw average, everyday americans just riding, people from small towns saying i just gave $25 to howard dean tonight, the first time i ever gave money to a campaign. i feel like i have taken a step to making my country better. [applause] in my mind, that effort became about -- i was sitting up in my attic in my house late at night, a obsessed with the dean blog. my wife thought i had gone crazy. i was experiencing politics in real time with real passion and real people, making it clear that they wanted a chance to participate in their democracy and to make their country better. there were dissatisfied with the path, and this path,judd had said earlier. what i realized in that moment was, that i wish that we had those people and these tools when will fighting the conservatives during t

limbaugh, legal challenges that docked the clinton administration, the robust talking points and political activity we are all seeing played out today in this debate. that stuff all was brand new. davidock writes about this eloquently in his new book. it took us a long time to figure this out. one reason i got so excited in 2003 when i first met marcos and jerome and i started reading the blog every night. you saw average, everyday americans just riding, people from small towns saying i just gave $25 to howard dean tonight, the first time i ever gave money to a campaign. i feel like i have taken a step to making my country better. [applause] in my mind, that effort became about -- i was sitting up in my attic in my house late at night, a obsessed with the dean blog. my wife thought i had gone crazy. i was experiencing politics in real time with real passion and real people, making it clear that they wanted a chance to participate in their democracy and to make their country better. there were dissatisfied with the path, and this path,judd had said earlier. what i realized in that moment was, that i wish that we had those people and these tools when will fighting the conservatives dur