sorry to stop you there, david makovsky, _ find safety there.re. sorry to stop you there, david makovsky, but thankl find safety there. sorry to stop you i there, david makovsky, but thank you very much for bringing us your insight. we have to move on, because we are nowjoined by another guest. let's talk to tuqa nusairat from the rafik hariri center and middle east programmes at the atlantic council think—tank. she is an expert on us policy in the middle east. let's turn to the ongoing concerns about the humanitarian situation in gaza. they say they think they can get 100 aid trucks a day across the border. we had a figure of i think it was less than 25 that have crossed today. there has not even been 150 that have passed since that rough crossing has allowed some trucks through, so what hope do feel there is for the goal to be achieved? i there is for the goal to be achieved?— there is for the goal to be achieved? ~ , . . , achieved? i think it is a really important _ achieved? i think it is a really important move _ achieved? i think it is a

we can continue to l consider the wider ramifications. joining me now is david makovsky, ziegler distinguishede programme. william hague wrote in the times newspaper today, talking about the barbarity of the attack from hamas but going on to warn that the objective of hamas is to provoke uncontrolled rage and he urged israel not to fall into that particular trap. do you share that basic assessment? i think that is right- — share that basic assessment? i think that is right. israel— share that basic assessment? i think that is right. israel sees _ share that basic assessment? i think that is right. israel sees itself- share that basic assessment? i think that is right. israel sees itself as - that is right. israel sees itself as making the distinction between hamas and the palestinian people and i shared the views of the guest you had on before, we need to make sure that innocent people are not hurt. it is disappointing. i was part of the united states peace team under the united states peace team under the 0bama administration withjohn kerry, to try and find a solution. i must respectfully dif

david makovsky is the director of the koret project on arab—israel relations at the washington instituterogramme. the president has backed israel to the hilt and dispatched forces as a deterrent earning and points at home but is there a risk if the war explains to the north that the united states gets dragged in? i that the united states gets dragged in? ., , that the united states gets dragged in? ~' , ., that the united states gets dragged in? ~' , . , ~' �* ., in? i think there is a risk. i'm not sure the two _ in? i think there is a risk. i'm not sure the two aircraft _ in? i think there is a risk. i'm not sure the two aircraft deterrence l sure the two aircraft deterrence will save the whole time, one may be rotating the other one out, but i think if hezbollah starts a second front which is in the lebanon border into israel, from what i hearfrom my defence sources, the us will want an assessment from the israelis if they feel they can handle it alone, but there could be times where the us may come in. above all, the goal is deterrence to try publicly and privately message that the p

joining me live now is david makovsky, who worked in the office of the us secretary of state as a senioreli — palestinian negotiations in the obama administration. he's now a ziegler distinguished fellow at the washington institute. david you obviously know a thing or two about what is going on right now. i wanted to pull up some of the things thatjeremy said in that reportjust things thatjeremy said in that report just that he things thatjeremy said in that reportjust that he said, that there will be many who feel that america is complicit with israel. what you make of that viewpoint that some will have after the visit of president biden today? people will sa what president biden today? people will say what they _ president biden today? people will say what they want _ president biden today? people will say what they want to _ president biden today? people will say what they want to say. - president biden today? people will say what they want to say. there i say what they want to say. there will be some people and i heard the report ofjeremy, will say it is a hard circle to square. that

i want to go back now to david makovsky, thank you for your patience.s interesting to hear what jeremy says as those forces move there and as you talk about this balancing act for israel and the need as they say to crush hamas in a much different way than they have in the past. they are talking about crushing hamas. how can you do that without, perhaps, ruining your relationships with others in the world? >> it's incredibly hard. remember, they embed themselves and they hide in mosques and hospitals and israel didn't go after them because they didn't want to hurt a hospital in the previous rounds and now you have an added complexity of a hostage situation and the whole israeli ethos of leaving no one behind and suddenly there might be 150 hostages there and that's another point of very difficult navigation. so it's not going to be easy. i'm hoping with secretary of state blinken coming to the region. i know he's just going to israel and jordan, but i'm sure he'll be working with the leaders of egypt, saudi arabia and the uae and i think here it's very i