let's go back to david mann, executive director of the refugee and legal system in australia, joining us via skype in melbourne how did this go unnoticed for so long? >> well, look, it's really difficult at this stage to know precisely what happened. because a lot of this policy by the australian government towards asylum seekers at sea is vowed in secrecy. what we need is to have the government come forward whether it will confirm or deny or will investigate whether in fact it aid he and abetted and funded what it describes at the evil trade of people-smuggling to turn back asigh legal seekers at sea. >> it says by hook or crook these are the quotes from tony abbott. the fact that the prime minister is not confirming or denying the reports, what do you make of that? does that mean in your opinion that australia is indeed explicit? >> look, this is a matter of -- indeed come complicit? >> look, when it comes to the approach of asylum seekers by sea, they will involve whatever it takes by hook or crook whatever it means the government is intent on an approach which has no moral compass

. >> for context on this story, let's bring in david mann live from melbourne. man rights lawyer and executive director of the refugee immigration legal center in australia. david, good to have you on the phone with us today. some suggest that this is actually cheaper for the government to pay people to send the smugglers -- to pay the smugglers to turn them away. what are your thoughts about this practice? >> well, the first and fundamental point here is that the government still has not denied that it paid people smugglers to essentially turn back asylum-seekers to sea. and the government must confirm or deny or investigate whether it aided and abetted what it describes as the trade of people smuggling to turn back asylum-seekers. it must come clean on this point, and it hasn't done so yet. >> the prime minister, tony abbott, won an election by essentially promising that he would stop these boats. and so far, it seems that that strategy has been successful. some ask the question, though, why should it matter how australia decides how to deflect these illegal ar

. >> david mann executive director of refugee and legal center in melbourne and says the australian governmentds to come clean over the issue. >> the first and fundamental obligation here that they signed up to in the community in a global contact under the refugee convention is to protect from persecution and whatever it takes by hook or by crook approach which we have in the high strengths of the government is an unacceptable position for a country that signed up for the refugee convention because the government at the highest levels is suggesting it seems that when it comes to asylum seekers at see there is no moral compass or limit and that is not only astonishing or appalling. >> reporter: a french court will rule on formerism mf chief kan is guilty of aggravated pimping and if convicted of prostitutes for sex parties could have a decade behind bars and asked to be acquitted following lack of evidence and we have been following the story from london and i don't know what is going to happen but right now it looks like strauss kahn will escape the conviction. >> the prosecutor themselves th

. >> well, what we do is we have: >> david mann is expect i have director of the ref gentlemen immigrationin 34e8 born, he says the australian government has to come clean over the issue you. >> the first and fundamental obligation here that australia has signed up to with the international community in a global contract under the refugees convention is to pretext people fleeing from parisian cushion from factorrer harm. and this whatever it fakes by hack or crook approach, which we now hear in the highest ranks of the government is an unacceptable position a country that's signed up to the refugees organization. our government at the highest levels is suggesting it seems when no comes to asylum seekers at sea there is no moral moral compass or limit and it's completely unacceptable as a position take. >>> cambodia says it's on track to need an international target of eliminating the most hazardous forms of child lake or by went six 16, they estimate 120 million children aged 5 to 14 go to work. camcambodia faces particular challenges as rob mcbride reports. the arrival of the truck at thi

. >> earlier, i spoke with david manne, a human rights lawyer in australia. he believes the prime minister's hardline stance on keeping migrant boats out could be what's behind the alleged payoff. >> in response to these very serious allegations that the government paid money to people smugglers, you know, people that traffic other human beings, that put other people's lives at r k risk -- essentially, the government at its highest ranks has said that when it comes to asylum-seekers at sea, it will do whatever it takes, by hook or by crook, but this whatever it takes policy is an unacceptable position for a country that has signed up to the refugees convention. >> indonesian authorities are now launching an investigation into those claims. >>> weeks after a russian warplane zoomed by a u.s. warship, a russian fighter jet came within feet of a u.s. air force surveillance plane. u.s. officials tell cnn it happened in international air space over the black sea. barbara starr has more from the pentagon. >> coming star board side. >> reporter: on the very day this

mann hole and vanished. leaving behind this. inmate 2297 david swep was serving life without parole for fatally shooting a sheriff's deputy 22 times. inmate 7:23 reportedly escaped before. this time he was doing 25 to life on a murder wrap. for torturing and dismembering his boss. the two were in adjacent cells at clinton correctional facilities. a state prison in northern new york 20 miles from the canadian border. friday night they rigged makeshift dummies in their bed and set off on a winding journey through the bows of the prison. somehow they got their hands on power tools, busting through a brick wall and cutting through a pipe before reaching freedom. as the massive manhunt unfolded new york governor got a tour of the getaway route. the escape is the first from the maximum security section of the prison since it opened in 1845. in addition to about 1400 guards, it employs hundreds of civilians and outside contractors and has been undergoing construction. the governor said monday the assumption is now that the in mate had inside help. >> i

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gene palmer told authorities he allowed david sweat access to areas behind his cell on a cat walk. joining me on the phone is brian mannnorth country public radio. before the escape, as i understand it brian, gene palmer, the prison guard, led you on a tour a while back of the facility. what was he like? >> yeah. many years ago. he was at that time known as a guy that was clearly disgruntled about working. there he talked very grimly and negatively about what was like to be a corrections officer in that facility. >> was he only honor block then? >> you know it's interesting. i don't know what his assignment was back then. i don't know how he drew the assignment of giving me this tour. he showed me through the facility and talked about how working there had changed him and hardened him. he talked about the violence behind bars. so really you know he painted a very very grim portrait of what his professional career had been like. >> and for everybody, we have a quick clip of the radio interview you did with gene palmer. take a listen. >> with the money that they pay you, you'll go bald and have high blood pressure and di