his latest is barack obama thhe's david maraniss. this is overheard. ♪ >> david maraniss, welcome. >> thank you, evan. >> great to see you. >> terrific o be here. >> this is a great book and the subject is so big, but i want to go kind of away from the book and ask generally about this president and why after all these years we still don't know where he's from, who he is, donald trump is asking for his college transcripts. i mean, there's not been a person in public life i would submit to you, about whom so much has been written, although out in the world so much apparently is still unknown. >> well, it's not unknown. >> of course i'm being facetious. >> he's the first african-american president. that's the first and only reason for all of this. >> this is all about race. >> it's all about race. >> at the end of the day you never asked for a birth certificate from a white guy. animosity and hatred that i saw directed towards bill clinton too so i can't say that all of that is about race, but the reason that these -- the conspiratorri

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hits the nail on the head in talking about how he's been a certain freedom, as his biographer, david maranissrail in 2007, 2008, some of his aides, his campaign aides would cringe when he would express irritation with people who fainted during his rallies, because they didn't have enough wine, didn't have enough food before they came. he has over the years learned to show his humanity a little bit more and try to bond with people a little bit more. it's hard to imagine that he would do the same today. he's much more out of growth politically. he'll never be bill clinton, as bill maraniss said, but he's grown politically and learned that when someone's about to be laid off, you don't say, pink slip! >> bill clinton went up to a woman and held her hand and made her feel special. >> and i think he's learned from stumbling in that regard as well. i did see him cry one time on the campaign trail in 2008, and that was right after his grandmother died, the day before the election of 2008, that was the first time i saw him cry. and then we never saw him cry again until the day before election 2012, w