investor dot com david morgan welcome back to the kaiser report max great to be back all right david margan you are of course the silver guru but before we get to sever i want to talk bonds eventually made a bold call is it time to short bonds david morgan are you the guy to make the right call many have come before you and been wrong are you the now well backs to be totally honest i am i've made a couple calls i said recently and actually over the years that apology more money made shorting the bonds in the u.s. bond market could possibly do there's so much leverage available through the e.t.f. the double e.t.f. options and of course the futures market and i've actually taken a stab at it a couple times not very confidently in the two cases that i recall i used options myself and actually these was just kept treadmill log so. is it the right time or not i don't really know as certainly near the top how long this can be prolonged with these this almost zero interest rate policy obviously the bonds had a great run for thirty years and by my digress maxim i talk about what's happened over the