and look, david mattingly reminded you, even george bush and i can remember condi rice that saddam hussein did comply with the united nations obligations, and if hans blick had been able to say, i've been there and seen the lot and the leftovers, i have been right through the document, we have all of the paper and seen the evidence, he's got rid of lot of it, that would have been regime change and it would be a different sort of regime. so i don't accept -- you seem to want me to say that blair signed up to saying, regardless of the facts and regardless of w.m.d., we're going to get rid of the guy. it was not like that. thank you. >> you want to ask one or two before we break? >> just wonder if i could fall off on one or two points. >> and -- and you i think talking about the crawford press conference, or quoting from the prime minister's press conference, and crawford -- he said, well, had him say, all of the options available will be considered. can you recall from the meetings that were held on iraq and that was in 2001 and 2002, when meetings the prime minister did hold to consider all