with me e is david mcarthur.se who deal with this stuff everyday and can't deal with what they are hearing out of the president knocker. >> i'm not against unemployment coverage. federal governments with a mandate on it went of time. and they don't pay the full bill. the state has to be part of that. they come to the small-business person and increase your rate. he wants to start everyone at $10 and 10 cents. i have higher utility bills. >> it's very easy for the president to say look at what this is doing. and hope springs eternal and comparing a major national retailer with you guys is like comparing this to michael phelps. it's not much comparison going on. >> of the palm problem that we have with the president. he brings up theseld illustrations that don't have a basis in reality. as small-business owners, we have a tax burden in the regulatory burden that is overwhelming. whenever i see businessethey e not doing well in this economy. and we need to be able to turn that around. and we don't turn it around wit