we walk the walk, our t america, me real talk continuing the conversation with david mcmullen. he was recently awarded nobel prize in chemistry. ah, well, you know, the, in my amateur probing of the things that you study the, the concept of what a photon of light is and, and who is a particle in a wave and, and nobody understands that. do you understand? can you describe to me what a photon of light is? a photon of light is a packet of energy. the packet of energy though, is the physical description of what you're talking about and people have a really hard time describing. because based on the experiment you perform, it can appear on different forums. so that's the ambiguity that comes with 4 times . but from my world, the way we look at it is, it's just a fantastic little packet of energy. it gets so much so much you can level someone is driving force, things that can do well what, but what is it? is that a molecule? is that a, is that a wave of energy? i mean, what were people like me try to i'm just with the limited knowledge that we have. we try to understand the concept e