>> marty wrathbun, who used to work directly under david miscavige, says there's been a culture of violence within the leadership of the church, the culture encouraged by miscavige himself. >> miscavige is portrayed as a ruthless and cruel leader, at times using physical violence to get his way and punish subordinates. >> he treats his subordinates in all of international management like slaves in a slave camp and literally beats them down. >> david miscavige was the one leading this whole physical violence kick, and it was him who was beating people up. >> stephen: we asked david miscavige for a comment, and he sent this response: a watermelon with a knife in it, with a note that says "you". [laughter] [cheers and applause] thankfully, it doesn't say "me" or i'd be terrified. [laughter] by the way, if any scientology lawyers are watching, this is what he actually sent me, for real. i mean that as much as anything i've said on this show. [laughter] and no reasonable person would think otherwise. [laughter] i await your suit. [ laughter ] but if the allegations are true, why would anybody pu

back with my prime time exclusive with former member jenna miscavige hill, daughter of leader david miscavige. let us read this statement from the church of scientology. it was quite lengthy. the church will not discuss private matters involving ms. hill nor any of the efforts to exploit mr. miscavige's name. we note that the recollections in her book about thing were dramatically at odds with 30 of her classmates. the church has not engaged in any activities that mistreat, neglect or force child to engage in manual labor. the church follows all laws with respect to children. claims to the contrary are false. you're telling a bunch of lies, apparently. >> of course they're going to say that. they're still in the church. that's all they've known. but it would be interesting to find out from the church how many of those kids actually have a high school diploma, how many of them have gone to college. i would be shocked if it was even more than ten of the kids at the ranch, i would be shocked if it was ten at all. >> do they let anyone go on the ranch at all, the outsiders? >> the church sold the

david miscavige did save scientology when he got the tax exclusion to the church would not exist if it weren't for the. however, the church is in disarray now, in part because of his behavior that he's exhibited according to many of my sources. so i think that it is now time for the church to examine that. thank you. last question. >> now, i'm wondering if you talk about their hatred of psychiatry and the things they've done in bowling that? >> psychiatry -- in dealing with it. >> you could say psychiatry drives them nuts. [laughter] no one hubbard, when he wrote dianetics, he was under the illusion that he was going to be acclaimed by the american psychological association and the american psychiatric association come he sent the manuscript to them, and they laughed at him. in the viewpoint of scientist, this is like psychological folk art. you know, who would take this seriously? where are the studies he is siding with is not evidence that they exist. his intuition that he drew upon to imagine human behavior with something that, in the field of psychiatry, was seen as incredibly naÏv