so what justice o'connor and justice prior would call and justice david souter speaking apocalyptic terms as well, the collapse of civic education in the united states. that is one remedial steps that we could all work toward taking. and another area is immigration. >> host: >> guest: and lived in d.c. nearly 30 years, immigration debate going on, control of borders, economic, this that and the other. i never heard of a single person in the debate mention civic education. america needs transmission of values in every generation two ways. one is education, the older generation, the younger generation, public schools, the second is immigration, people come in they now how americans live, it means to be american and sell on. not just better job opportunities, something about being an american is very important. others have said this but it is almost lacking in the washington debate. >> host: we are going to return to the global public square, a gentle reminder you are invited to enter the antara and write your questions will check will be picked up, national press club style. what i want to