father david o'rourke. you still know the people you interviewed far? >> yes, i see them both -- for that. >> yes, i see them both by design and run into them in the streets. >> are they glad to have their story told? >> yes they are surprised they feel relieved finally people in the west are being told what happened to them. for many years they figured no one knows no one cares. >> you told me off camera evil had no better teacher in that era. who learned from whom? >> hitler learned from stalin. pictures of the cattle car, those are all soviet cars but the soviet insignia on it and this was all worked out before hitler started deporting people. he was not a very imaginative person. they were very thorough god knows but stalin had been doing all this dividing of people into acceptable and unacceptable groups for 20 years for the nazi's, the division was by race, soviets, was social class. >> we will be back on mosaic a great change is at hand and our task is to make that revolution, that change, peaceful a