at the time, i thought that david owens -- no, i didn't think david owens was a different person. i thought david owens was the person my dad and i had watched just -- my dad and i truly thought evidence was manufactured and i thought it was david owen, and i was wrong about that. but that's what i thought that night. >> any other factors or details you want to add? >> i'm going to answer any question you have. do you have any more questions? >> i mean any more about your decision to lie. let's get it all out now. >> if you have any questions, i will be glad to answer them, sir. >> tell me about the replacement blackout. you initially told law enforcement you weren't sure whether or not there was one, correct? >> oh, no, sir, you're absolutely wrong about that. >> what did you say then? >> shortly after this, it became being told that paul's gun had been stolen, and the one you heard about being stolen from the thing, and i'm not sure how i learned this, but i learned that somebody -- i believe sled had gone to john bettingfield, who made those guns, and could only find paperwork

it was not david owen. a different david. >> we spent a lot of time going through that first statement. you're telling me now you were sitting there thinking this is a completely different guy the whole time and that was on your mind during that entire interview? >> yes. at the time -- >> all right. >> -- david owen. i thought david owen was the guy that my dad and i had watched just -- my dad and i truly thought the evidence was manufactured and i thought it was david owens. i was wrong about that. that's what i thought that night. >> martha: any other factors or details? >> i want to answer any questions you have, mr. waters. >> any more? >> do you have any more questions? >> no, about your decision to lie. i want to get it all out now. okay. >> do you have any questions? i'll be glad to answer them. >> well, i do. tell me about the replacement blackout. you initially told law enforcement that you weren't sure there was one, correct? >> oh, no, sir. you're absolutely wrong about that. >> what did you say

. >> that i brought up phone calls to maggie to david owen? >> i'm asking you, is that one of the things that you talked about in your first interview with dave owen? you pulled out your phone and started looking at it, that you brought that up? do you recall that? >> that's not what you asked me. you asked if that's the first thing. i don't dispute mr. owen and i talked about phone calls. but that's not what you said. to be clear. >> the real reason, mr. murdaugh, is that you as a lawyer and prosecutor are up at 9:02, having your phone in your hand, moving around and making all these phone calls to manufacture an alibialibi. >> that's incorrect. >> that's just another circumstance and coincidence in this particular case? right around the time that you lied to law enforcement about maybe one of the most important facts in the case? >> objection. >> it is a fact that i am notal say. >> how do you remember so much detail about everything else but you don't remember what you were doing to generate 283 steps while you are making these phone calls i

you have to understand this, on august 11, when i went to meet with david owens and in that, david owens asked me about -- he showed me that snapchat and asked me about the clothes i had on. and shortly after that the next time i was with blanco, asked blanco about those close because david owens had asked me about them. and made an issue about it. so, i checked with blanco to see what i specifically asked blanco. it was an issue to me. so i got blanco and i need you to sit down and talk with me about this. this is important. do you remember my close when you came to moselle that day. she remembered exactly what she testified to. she remembered my pants were there. she wasn't sure if the shirt was there. at that time from i think she actually thought the shirt was there, but she was clear she was not sure about that. oh, no, no, she didn't remember, but assumed that it was. so, that was the conversation that and why i was asking blanco. >> your very specific about that conversation, is that right, mr. murdaugh? who are dang right i'm consistent about that because the very short time befo

august 11th, when i went to meet with david owens and in that david owens asked me about he showed me that snapchat and asked me about clothes i had on. and shortly after had that, the next time i was with blanca, i asked about those clothes because david owens had asked me about him. made an issue about it. so i checked with blanca to see what i specifically asked blanca. it was an issue to me. i need you to sit down and talk with me. this is important. she remembered what she testified to. she wasn't sure if the shirt was there at that time, she thought she was clear she wasn't sure about that. or she didn't remember but assumed that it was. >> that was the conversation. >> you're dang right i'm consistent about that. a very short time about that, david owens is asking me questions ask telling me i'm a suspect in the murder of my wife and my child and asking me about my clothe, your dang right it was important. and you're dang right i remember why went to her and for what reason. >> the only thing you're concerned about is yourself. you're not concerned about giving accurate informa

be david owen. >> i want to be clear, you're saying now you thought this was some david owen that had something to do with greg alexander ten years ago. >> no, sir, i'm not saying that now, i said that all along. the person that i saw and watched in greg alexander's trial that was clear to me was just -- it was terrible what they did to greg alexander, and the person at sled who was responsible for that was a guy named david. i'm not even going to get into his last name. i thought that was david owens that night was that guy. later, down the road, and it was a while. i checked into that and i found out that i was mistaken, it was not david owens. >> we went back through that first segment, you're telling me you were sitting there thinking this was a completely different guy the whole time, and that was on your mind during that entire interview? >> yes, at the time i thought that david -- i didn't think david owens was a different person, i thought that david owen was the person that my dad and i had watched just -- i mean, my dad and i truly thought was evidence was manufactured and i

when you use it, it creates all this other stuff, a digital foot, and i told david owens he could get it from my office. >> was that a common response when you were asked about times? >> yes, sir. >> you did that more than once? >> yes, sir. >> so, in we had gotten the june 10th interview, which is state's exhibit 243, and doug, i would like to go to 6:29, appeared you're being asked when paul arrived. >> roughly what time in the afternoon? >> i think it would be somewhere in the 5:00 range. it was broad daylight -- it wasn't dusk, dark or late, you know? and we rode -- you know, we just rode around. >> did you tell him on june 10th that paul got there at that 5:00 period? >> i obviously did. >> was that incorrect? >> yes, sir, it was incredible. >> what time did you, looking at the record now, what time did it look like paul actually got there? >> in looking at the records, it's clear he got there sometime around 7:00. >> at some point in time did you have a conversation with shelly smith about how long you were over at alameda on the night of june 7th. >> i don't distinctly remember

. >> i left the house and went -- >> you did say earlier when david owen asked you about your relationships, that was a trigger point, correct? >> well, that was certainly one of the things that contributed or made me paranoid. >> ok. >> now, you know, already things had gone on that occurred as i said that put me in that mindset. but exactly when i decided to lie about that, i can't tell you. >> so the things again, you talked about your dope paranoia, the fact they had taken gsr, and you talked about the advice of your law partners and sheriff hill and greg alexander, and then you talked about your distrust of sled, somehow from this -- the circumstances and demeanor of this interview right here. >> my distrust from sled did not arise from this interview. my distrust from sled arose from a couple of things, and it's really several things. it arose from the way they had been involved in -- sled had been involved in the investigation into paul's criminal charges and they had been involved in -- there was an issue that had gone on with some rumors about buster and paul, they had been involve

ask you about the august 11th interview with david owen at the s.l.e.d. office in i think here? do you remember that? >> august 11th, absolutely. >> had you been requesting that meeting? >> i'd been requesting -- what i'd really been requesting is information, i'd been begging david owens to come meet with me and specifically i wanted, grandma, papa t, there were so many questions that i couldn't answer, and i'd been begging him to meet with me and to meet with grandma and papa t. i'd been begging him for weeks and weeks. >> and did -- you went into the meeting on august 11th, did you think that's what it was for to give you an update? >> yes. >> and at the conclusion of the meeting, they let you know that you're their prime suspect. >> objection, your honor, what was said. facts not in evidence. >> mr. griffin. >> i'll rephrase it. at the -- by the conclusion of the meeting, did they make it known to you that you were suspect? >> oh, there's no question about that. absolutely. now, he used a lot of -- i mean, you hear talk about how i'm in this circle and he can't get me out an

i'm just telling you that i thought david owen was the same agent that was involved in that case. learned later because i checked on it, i learned later that it was a different david sled agent, first name david with a different last name. i learned that later. i'm just saying that was all part of that process going on in my mind. >> you're saying you're sitting right here thinking this dave owen and the circumstances and demeanor of this interview, you're thinking that guy had been involved in the prosecution or investigation of your friend ten years ago. >> i did. >> okay. so here's a new one you just mentioned to us correct? >> no that's not a new one. >> okay. >> that is part of -- >> the circumstances are new. >> no, no. >> that is fairly specific don't you think? >> well, no, sir. >> the story keeps evolving. keep going. >> you asked me about there, mr. owen. what i said -- >> i'm not mr. owen. >> i mean mr. waters. the whole part of this whole process involved my distrust for sled. that was part of a big part of my distrust for sled. >> we can all see it on your face in thi

ask you about the august 11th interview with david owen at the sled office in i think here in walterboro. >> august 11th, absolutely. >> had you requested that meeting? >> i had been requesting -- what i had really been requesting is some information, i had been begging david owens to come meet with me and specifically -- i wanted grandma and papa t, there were so many questions that i couldn't answer and i had been begging him to meet with me and to meet with grandma and papa t. i had been begging him for weeks and weeks. >> and did -- when you went into the meeting on august 11th, did you think that's what it was for, to give you an update? >> yes. >> ok. and at the conclusion of the meeting, they let you know that you are their prime suspect? >> objection, your honor. that's not what was said. facts not in evidence. >> mr. griffin? >> i'll rephrase it. by the conclusion of the meeting did they make it known to you that you were suspect? >> oh, there's no question about that. absolutely. now, he used a lot of, i mean you hear talk about how i'm in this circle and he can't get me out, a

. >> and the did you have any discussion with david owen or anybody about consenting to general motors to get that off the car? >> every time that i talked to david owens, i would ask him about getting onstar data and gps data from phones. >> why was it important for you to get gps data from the phones? >> to confirm what i was saying, what i did. gps. you know. at that point in time, i knew that maggie's phone had been taken, and i knew that my suburban and my phone and maggie's phone never crossed paths. and that was extremely important to me. i asked about it every single time we talked. every single time. >> speaking of maggie's phone, did you know her password to her phone? >> yes, i knew her password. >> did you know the password to her computer? >> yes. >> did she know your password? >> yes. >> one maggie's phone was located on the side of the road, did you provide the password to her phone? >> i did. i think i actually provided it to john marvin, but i'm the one who gave it to him. >> right. >> your knowledge that maggie has these location services on her phone, she used them f

. >> d you have any discussions with david owen or anybody at s.l.e.d.nsenting to general motors to get that off the car? >> every time that i talked to david owen, i would ask him about getting onstar data and gps data from phones. >> why was it important to you to get onstar data and gps data from the e? confirm where i wasg i went, what i did, gps. you know, at that point in time, i knew that maggie's phone had been taken. and i knew that my suburban and my phone and my suburban and my and maggie's phone never crossed paths and that was extremely important to me, and i asked him about it every single time we talked, every single time. >> and speaking of maggie's phone, did you know her password to her phone? >> yes, i knew her password. >> did you know her password to her computer? >> yes. >> did she know your password? >> yes. >> okay. and when maggie's phone was located on the side of the road, did you provide s.l.e.d. the password to her phone? >> i did. i think i actually provided it to john marvin who provided it to s.l.e.d., but i'm the one who

>> may it please the court, you said that you were concerned when you talked to david owen about the bag of pills in your pocket, correct? >> no, sir, i'm not saying i was concerned about that. i don't think i told you i was concerned about that. i'm telling you, that was -- that was a fact. i had a big of pills in my pocket and that was one of the things that -- one of the many things that came together that night. >> you're trying to tell this jury as a reasonable husband and father in this situation, concerned about a bag of pills was more important to you than telling law enforcement and narrowing the time when you last saw your wife and son alive? that's what you want to convince this jury of? >> no, sir. the big of pills in my pocket is not what i was concerned about sitting in there. as i said, it was one of the many things that was going on. i wasn't sitting there worried about those pills in my pocket. >> you were asked about requesting the phone and automobile data. that was because as a prosecutor and a lawyer you had been manufacturing an alibi to cover your tracks. >> no

. >> i repeatedly asked david owens about that information. >> when you asked that question, were yout maggie's phone had been located, you know, down the road a mile or half a mile or more, is that right? >> yeah. i knew where her phone had been located. >> why was it important to you to get that information? >> because i knew that whoever had done this to them, had maggie's phone and i knew that my phone and maggie's phone and my car were never together. at point in time. >> now, you had given inaccurate times in many statements to law enforcement in this case, have you not? >> i did. >> we reviewed some of those in your direct examination. one was, paul getting to mosel around 5:00 p.m. do you remember that? >> i do. >> were you lying to agent owens or anybody when you said paul got there at 5:00 p.m.? >> no. i wasn't lying to them. i mean, i thought that at the time. >> and when you -- >> most of the times or a lot of times when i gave times i qualified them and say, you know, you can look at this, pointed them to my office, to the call log, to the key card, like we talked about,

i'm telling you, i thought david owen was the agent that was involved in that case.ned later because i checked on it, i learned later that it was a different david sled agent, first name david with a different last name. i learned that later. i'm just saying, that was all part of that process going on in my mind. >> you're saying you're sitting here right now this dave owen, and circumstances and demeanor of this interview you're thinking that guy had been involved in the prosecution or investigation of your friend ten years ago. >> i did. >> here's a new one you just mentioned to us, correct? >> that's not a new one. >> the circumstances are new. that's fairly specific, don't you think? >> no, sir. >> i mean, the story keeps evolving, keep going. >> you asked about me this, mr. owen. mr. waters. part of this whole process involved my distrust for sled. that was a big part of my distrust for sled. >> we can see it on your face in this interview, can't we? >> i don't know. >> all right. but you said when what you just said a little bit ago, that wasn't a conscious dec

. >> every time that i talked to david owens, i would ask him about getting on jb star data and gps datastar data from the phons? >> to confirm where i was saying i went, what i did, gps. i knew maggie yees phone had been taken. and i knew mutt suburban and my phone and >>> and that was extremely important, to me. i asked him about it every single time we talked. every single time. >>> and, speaking of maggie's phone, do you -- did you know her password to her phone? >> yes, i knew her password. >> did you know her password to her computer? >> yes. >> did she know your password? >> yes. >> and when maggie's phone was located at the side of the road, did you provide sled the password to her phone? >> i did. i think i actually provided it to john marvin who provided it to sled, but i'm the one who gave it to them. >> and, to your knowledge, did maggie's -- the location services on her phone, did she use them frequently? >> all the time. one of maggie's things she liked to do was -- there's an app called find my friends, that you can see what other people are doing and they can see what you

. >> you're dang right i'm consistent about that, because a very short time before that david owens ising my questions and telling me i'm a suspect in the murder of my wife and my child and asking me about my clothes. you're dang right it was important. >> the only thing you're concerned about is yourself. you're not concerned about giving accurate information to law enforcement. >> reporter: as he tries to convince the jury he did not kill his wife maggie and son paul. >> you mean like did i shoot my wife and my son? >> yes. >> no. >> reporter: prosecutor creighton waters pushing hard about the lie about the admission of being at the family dog kennels the night of the murders. >> pretty much that was lies, right? >> everything about me not going to the kennel was a lie. >> you lied so easily and naturally, don't you? >> reporter: and hammering murdaugh on what the prosecution is calling his new story. >> you also looked at the jury and tried to tell them you have been cooperate in this investigation. >> other than lying to them about going to the kennel, i was cooperate in every aspe

i had a pocketful of pills on june 8th, on june 8th when i was sitting in david owen's patrol car. so i always had them on me. and i might turn -- i might be going to a town and i turned on hampton street and a police car pulls out, boom, i have paranoid thoughts, you know? it just -- but i could always say you're not doing anything wrong. he is not following you. i could get past it then in a matter of seconds. >> did anybody if your family ever see you having these severe withdrawals? >> absolutely. >> and who did? >> maggs, pawpaw, bus, my dad, randy, john marvin, and just to be clear, randy and john marvin never saw me having withdrawals before september. >> thank you for clarifying that. prior to june of 2021 who in your family saw you having these severe with drawings. >> bus, pawpaw, maggie, my dad. >> do you remember calling -- remember calling paul a little detective? >> i don't know that i ever called him a little detective but i think maggie did. i may have. pawpaw was very intuitive so i heard -- i heard miriam call him a little detective. maggie used to call him that.

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pills on me, and i had a pocketful of pills on june 8th, and on june 8th when i was sitting in david owen's patrol car. so, i always had them on me, and i might turn, and i might be going to eddistote and turn on the street, and i had paranoid thoughts. you know, it just -- but i could always say, you are not doing anything wrong, and he is not following you. i could get past it in a matter of seconds. >> did anybody in your family ever see you having these severe withdrawals? >> mags, paw-paw, bus, my dad, randy, joe marvin. and just to be clear, randy and john marvin never saw me having withdrawals before september. >> i thank you for clarifying that. prior to 2021, who in your family saw you having severe withdrawals. >> paw-paw, bus, maggie, my dad. >> okay. do you remember in calling, remember calling paul a little detective? >> i don't know that i ever called him a little detective, but i think that maggie did. i may have. paul was very intuitive, so, i heard -- >> in some of the interviews? >> i heard merion call him that, and maggie used to call him that. >> did that have anything t

i'm sitting in a police car with david owen asking me about my relationship with my wife and my son. things coupled together after finding them, coupled with my distrust for sled, caused me to have paranoid thoughts. normally when these paranoid thoughts would hit me i could take a deep breath real quick, think about it, reason my way through it, just get past it really quickly. on june 7th -- i wasn't thinking clearly. i don't think i was capable of reason. and i lied about being down there. and i'm so sorry that i did. i'm sorry to my son, buster. i'm sorry to grandma and papa t. i'm sorry to both of our families. most of all, i'm sorry to mags and paul. i would never intentionally do anything to hurt either one of them. ever. ever. >> did you continue lying after that night, did you not? >> once i lied i continued to lie, yes, sir. >> why? >> you know, what a tangled web we weave. once i told a lie, i told my family, i had to keep lying. >> alex, tell the jury what happened on the evening of june 7th starting when you met up with paul. >> i had been at work that day, a fairly norm

. >> reporter: this is the first time we hear david owen ask alex murdaugh directly if he killed maggien't know who did it. >> reporter: special agent owen had a lot more questions including why he was wearing something different after the murders than he was earlier in the night on this snapchat video pulled from his son's phone. >> at what point in that evening did you change clothes? >> i'm not sure. i guess i changed when i got back to the house. >> reporter: the prosecution has suggested that murdaugh showered and changed following the murders. >> wouldn't you expect to find some trace evidence of blood somewhere? in the house? >> there was no trace evidence of blood found in the house, no. >> reporter: alex murdaugh has told investigators several times that on the night of the murders he had dinner with his family, then took a nap and later drove to his mother's house. >> how long would you say that he were at your mom's that night? >> 45 minutes, an hour.were at ? >> 45 minutes, an hour. all right his mother's caretaker said he was there maybe 15 minutes. at least four times owen

david owen was not there. be but you still told the same lie. jury about the most important part of your testimony was a lie too. isn't that true? >> i disagree with that. >> nothing further. >> the cob text, as you well know, to the first officer on the scene, he was already off to the races and lying. >> it gave me chills just to hear that again. it was such a powerful moment. mr. waters has not tried a lot of criminal cases shs but his command of the facts of the case is impressive. he knew mr. murdaugh was try ing to say i started lying to state investigators because i mistrust them. they have investigate d my family. but he knew that he told the first officer on the scene it's this the body cam footage lies from the beginning. so he was able to kind of corner mr. murdaugh in a way in another lie. >> 283 steps, we have heard all about his activity. but wit don't have the guns. there's still missing pieces in this. right? >> there are a lot of missing pieces. they don't have the guns. they don't have the clothes that alex murdaugh was wearing

i had a pocket full of pills on june the 8th, on june the 8th when i was sitting in david owens' patrol car. so i always had them on me. might i turn -- i might be going to edisto and i'd turn on hampton street right out here and a police car pulls out. boom, i have pair thyroid -- paranoid thoughts, you know, just -- but i could always say -- you're not doing anything wrong, he's not following you, and i could get past it in a matter of seconds. >> did anybody in your family ever see you having these severe withdrawals? >> absolutely. >> and who did? >> mags, pau-pau, bus, my dad, randy, john marvin, and just to be clear, randy and john marvin never saw me having withdrawals before september. >> and i thank you for clarifying that. prior to june of 2021, who in your family saw you having these withdrawals? >> bus, pau-pau, maggie, my dad. >> okay. >> do you remember calling paul a little detective? >> i don't know that i ever called him a little detective, but i think maggie did. i may have. i mean, he was very intuitive. i heard miriam call him a little detective. i know maggie used t

. >> you're dang right i'm consistent about that because a very short time before that, david owens ishe murder of my wife and my child, and asking me about my clothes. you're dang right it was important. >> because the only thing you're concerned about is yourself. you're not concerned about giving accurate information to law enforcement. >> reporter: as he tries to convince the jury he did not kill his wife maggie and his son paul. >> you mean like did i shoot my wife and my son? >> yes. >> no. >> reporter: creighton waters pushing murdoch hard over his admission of lying about being at the family dog kennels where the bodies were found the night of the murders. >> pretty much all of that was lies, wasn't it? >> the part about me not being at the kennel was a lie. >> also not knowing paul went down there, that was a lie. you're putting detail into this thing, aren't you? >> everything about me not going to the kennel was a lie. >> and you're able to do that so easily and so convincingly and so naturally, don't you? >> reporter: and hammering murdoch on what the prosecution is calling

because a very short time before that, david owens is asking me questions, and telling me i'm a suspectn the murder of my wife and my child, and asking me about my clothes. you're dang right it was important. >> the only thing you're concerned about is yourself, you're not concerned about giving accurate information to law enforcement. >> reporter: as he tries to convince the jury he did not kill his wife maggie and son paul. >> you mean, like, did i shoot my wife and my son? >> yes. >> no. >> reporter: the prosecutor pushing murdaugh hard about lying about being at the family dog kennels, where the bodies were found the night of the murders. >> pretty much all that was lies. >> everything about me not going to the kennel was a lie. >> and you're able to do that so easily, and so convincingly, and so naturally, don't you. >> reporter: and hammeringmer daughter on what the prosecution is calling his new story. >> you also looked at this jury, and tried to tell them that you had been cooperative, in this investigation. >> reporter: other than lying to them about going to the kennel, i was

so like david owens asked me on august 11th did i call a dog or talking to somebody. no dog was out and there was nobody there. >> let's talk about that briefly. when you got there and you saw maggie and paul, where were the dogs? >> the dogs were in the kennels. the dogs were in the kennels. wherever they were when law enforcement got there. >> you've seen pictures and they called davis to the stand and talk about >> did you do anything down there at the kennels of ad then call 911 and attend to maggie and paul? >> no. i do know i was trying to find a flashlight. i was trying to find a gun. other than those things, no, i did not do anything at the kennel. i did not do anything with any hose. i did not do anything with any dogs. >> was there anybody with you? >> no. >> all right, keep going, please. >> all right. you cannot see it from the road. >> is at a house or a mobile home >> it is a house. my name is alex murdaugh. >> okay, did you hear anything, or did you come home and find something? >> i came home. >> okay. >> no, ma'am. please hurry. >> can anybody out the

in it you see a special agent david owen of the south carolina law enforcement division pressing blurd son were killed. murdaugh tells the agent he was napping when maggie and paul murdaugh went down to the dog kennels on the family's hunting estate. an agent tells him a family friend has identified alec's voice in the background of this video that paul recorded at the kennels just minutes before he and his mother were shot. >> was it you? >> at 9:00? >> yes, sir. >> no, sir. not if my times are right. >> murdaugh tells the agent he cannot recall when he changed out of the clothes he is seen wearing in another video his son recorded the day of the murders. and he claims he visited his mother that evening for 45 minutes or an hour, more than twice as long as her caregiver says murdaugh was actually there. toward the end of the interview, the agent asked murdaugh directly whether he killed his wife and son. the defendant replies he did not. and then he asks the agent a question. >> do you think i killed paul? >> i have to go to where the evidence and facts take me and i don't have anyth

. >> this is the first time that we hear lead investigator, david owen, ask adam murdoch directly whetherher son paul. >> do you know who did this? >> i do not know who did. >> special agent oh and had a lot more questions for him as well, including why he was wearing something different after the murders and he was earlier in the night on this snapchat video pulled from his son's phone. >> when did you change clothes? >> i'm not sure -- you know, i guess i changed when i got back to the house. >> the prosecution has suggested that murdaugh sat showered and changed his clothes following the murder. the defense pushed back on that. >> when do you expect to find some trace evidence of blood somewhere? in the house? >> there was no trace evidence of blood found in the house, no. >> thank you. >> alex murdaugh told investigators several times that on the night of the murders he had dinner with his family and then took a nap and later drove to his mother's house. >> how long would you say that you are at your moms? >> 45 minutes, an hour. >> 45 minutes to an hour? remember, his mother's careta

i am sitting in a police car with david owen asking me about my relationship with my wife and my son. of those things coupled together after finding them coupled with my distrust for sled caused me to have paranoid thoughts. normally when these paranoid thoughts would hit me, i could take a deep breath real quick and think about it, and reason my way through it, and just get past it quickly. on june 7th, i wasn't thinking clearly. i don't think that i was capable of reason. and i lied about being down there. and i'm so sorry that i did. i'm sorry to my son buster. i'm sorry to grandma and papa t. i'm sorry to both of our families. most of all, i am sorry to mags and paul paul. i would never intentionally do anything to intentionally hurt either one of them. ever. ever. >> did you continue lying after that night, did you not? >> once i lied, i continued to lie, yes, sir. >> why? >> you know, what a tangled web we weave, but once i told a lie, and i told my family, i had to keep lying. alex, tell the jur happened on the evening of june 7th, starting when you met one paul. >> i had been

. >> you're dang right i'm consistent about that because a very short time before that, david owens is asking me questions and telling me i'm a suspect in the murder of my wife and my child and asking me about my clothes? you dang right it was important. >> because the only thing you're concerned about is yourself, you're not concerned about giving accurate information to law enforcement. >> reporter: as he tries to convince the jury he did not kill his wife maggie and son paul. >> you mean like did i shoot my wife and my son? >> yes. >> no. >> reporter: prosecutor creighton waters pushing murdoch hard over his admission of lying about being at the family dog kennels where the body were found the night of the murders. >> pretty much all of that was a lie, right? >> everything about me going to the kennel was a lie. >> and you're able to do that so easily and so convincingly and so naturally, don't you? >> reporter: and hammering murdoch on what the prosecution is calling his new story. >> you also looked at this jury and tried to tell them that you had been corporative in this investig

. >> you're dang right i'm consistent about that because a very short time before that, david owens is asking me questions and telling me i'm a suspect in the murder of my wife and my child and asking me about my clothes. you're dang right it was important. >> the only thing you're concerned about is yourself. not not concerned about giving accurate information to law enforcement. >> reporter: as he tries to convince the jury he did not kill his wife and son. >> did i shoot my wife and my son? >> yes. >> to. >> reporter: the prosecutor pushing murdaugh hard over his admission of lying about being at the family dog kennels where the bodies were found the night of the murders. >>s that was lies. >> everything about me not going to the kennel was a lie. >> you were able to just do that so easily and so convincingly and so naturally, don't you? >> reporter: and hammering murdaugh on what the prosecution is calling his new story. >> you also looked at this jury and tried to tell them you had been cooperative in this investigation. >> other than lying to them about going to the kennel, i was

david owens asked me on august 11th did i call a dog or talking to somebody. there was no dog that was out. there was nobody there. >> let's talk about that briefly. when you got there and you saw maggie and paul, where were the dogs? >> the dogs were in the kennels. the dogs were in the kennels. they were wherever they were when law enforcement got there. >> you seen pictures. they called dell davis and talked about the hose rolled up. did you roll the hose up? >> no. >> did you do anything other than call 911 and attend to maggie and paul? >> no. i do know that i was trying to find a flashlight. i was trying to find a gun. other than those things, no, i didn't do anything at the kennel. i didn't do anything with any hose. i didn't do anything with any dogs. >> was there anybody with you? >> no. >> keep going, please. >> you can't see it from the road. >> is it a house or mobile home? >> it's a house. >> what is your name? >> my name is alex murdaugh. >> okay. did you hear anything or did you come home and find them? >> i've been gone. i just came back. >> wa

. >> you're dang right i'm consistent about that because a very short time before that, david owens is questions and telling me i'm a suspect in the murder of my wife and my child and asking me about my clothes, you're dang right it was important. >> because the only thing you're concerned is yourself. you're not concerned about giving accurate information to law enforcement. >> reporter: as he tries to convince the jury he did not kill his wife maggie and son paul. >> you mean, like, did i shoot my wife and my son? >> yes. >> no. >> reporter: the prosecutor pushed murdaugh hard over his admission about lying about being at the dog kennels where the bodies were found the night of the murders. >> anything about me not going to the kennel was a lie. >> that's so convincingly and so naturally. >> reporter: and hammering murdaugh on what the prosecution is calling his new story. >> you also looked at this jury and tried to tell them that you have been cooperative in this investigation? >> other than lying to them about going to the kennel, i was cooperative in every aspect of this investig

. >> you told david owen that you understood that he had to ask questions and you did what you need to do, correct? >> that is what i told him. >> your honor, this might be a good time for a break. >> ladies and gentlemen, addressing the jury, we'll break until 2:15. you will go to the jury room, please do not discuss the case. >> and so we're going into a lunch break, good day, i'm chris jansing at msnbc headquarters in new york city, and at this hour, if you've been watching, you know more high drama at the aleck murdaugh trial. after hours of intense questioning over two days, the prosecution today zeroing in on murdaugh's newly changed story about where he was when his wife and younger son were killed. we're live at the courthouse, and we will break down key moments with our team of lawyers. >>> worldwide commemoration and condemnation as ukraine marks one year since the russian invasion. the u.s. giving $2 billion more in aid as ukraine's president vows 2023 will be the year of victory. i'll talk with a key zelenskyy adviser. >>> and new signs of cracks in the donald trump base, a

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paul >> no, i did not kill paul >> reporter: south carolina law enforcement division investigator david owenand what he calls inconsistencies in murdaugh's timeline >> it wasn't one inconsistency. it was several inconsistencies over a period of time that were repeated >> reporter: owen also revealing in that interview, he's confident murdaugh family guns were used in the crime information the investigator says didn't shake alex >> did you ask him, we've established family guns were used >> yes, i did. >> what was his response would "nothing" be the answer? >> correct >> reporter: at other times during the interview, murdaugh emotional, asking investigators for details about what maggie and paul felt before they died >> did either one of them suffer very long? >> a matter of seconds, if that. >> reporter: on cross-examination, the defense pinpointing what they call missteps in the investigation, like never testing maggie and paul's clothing for dna. and waiting three months to search murdaugh's mother's house, where he went the night of the murders the defense also questioned whether owen lie

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