what is the read back you they are asking for david packer. what packer does. neil: also cohen. >> that a small piece. most of it is packer. todd: the most of the read back is stuff that packer said. why is that interesting? >> it corroborate the story, all of michael cohen's testimony and poke holes, i don't -- that man that corroborates and tells the story on his own. he was kind of friendly. and not going to buy the mcdougall. and you don't prove that conspiracy, but to impact that. if true, and to send that a room, packer. these are very valuable. neil: what time? >> 2015 it initially started off. if we follow this trajectory. neil: this is a big problem. >> there's the conversation about the catch and kill. neil: ages ago, that's not the problem. l help me understand the problem. >> the eyes and the ears for the election and the goal at that point, the agenda at that point is to protect donald trump, kill stories that are bad, supermarkets in front, people read it and go -- neil: how do you connect that to his reticence ahead of the campaign when it could

told david packer that he doesn't pay for stories, he doesn't do that.of. that indicates michael cohen did this on his own not at the direction of donald trump. if that is true, the jury has to vote to acquit. liz: we have video, donald trump junior tiktok from the trump side's waiting room and in essence shooting the breeze here, talking good, looking pretty relaxed. i will ask where do you see cracks in the defense's case. you talk about the defense, prosecution, what about defense. quickly. >> the main problem for the defense is the stuff the judge let in that he shouldn't have, all the stuff about michael cohen having been convicted of a campaign finance charge and stating in the directions to the jury that michael cohen needs to be considered donald trump's accomplice is 2+2 = 5, the defense would like to not have. 99% of the case, not just that issue of intent, the sentence i described, the reason i bring that up is any point of failure, this thing goes away and there are a number of things that are very complex. liz: we are following all of it. we

general agreement to bury information, can they jar and inference that when michael cohen and david packer took action it was action taken with trump's approval, which is what the prosecution's theory of the cases. now from the other side from the defense side and i really do hope that they look into this carefully because to me this is like the slam-dunk part of the case that i am worried that the jury has missed. you cannot infer from michael cohen's guilty plea or the fact that david packer entered into a nonprosecution agreement that trump is guilty of a federal election campaign crime. so, the question i would hope the jury would ask upon that realization in the instruction that was repeated to them is okay well if we can't infer the intent or his commission of the crime what is the evidence that donald trump committed a federal election crime? what they will find is that until 2018, long after the charges in the case, there was no federal election commission or consideration in this case. it never entered into anyone's mind until after "the washington post" or even "the wall street j

prosecutors outline how trump working with michael cohen and former "national enquirer" publisher david packer in an alleged conspiracy and cover-up. appearing scandalous stories while trump ran for president coming and falsifying records related to the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels, all of which trump has denied. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. >> reporter: cohen has testified that trump directed him. >> mr. trump is a con man. he asked me to pay off an adult film star with whom he had an affair. >> reporter: prosecutor joshua steinglass told jurors that packer, cohen, and trump met at trump tower to sort out the arrangement. the scheme by these men could be what got president trump elected, he said. stein glass called at election for august, and the "national enquirer," a covert arm up at the trump campaign. during their closing argument, the defense team hammered cohen's credibility, claiming he lied on the stand and called him the gloat, the greatest liar of all time. tensions flared when todd blanche told jurors you cannot sense a buddy to present

when it was agreed david packer would buy and suppress negative stories about mr.cluding alleged affairs all designed to help boost his campaign. let's talk to our correspondent in new york. you have been following this closely. the end of week three. pretty dramatic testimony today. just explain what we heard from hope hicks. >> keep in mind, she's the first person who worked directly with donald trump to testify. we did not really have to guess how she felt about taking the stand. we felt once she got on, she was nervous. even broke down in tears at one point, which the court took a short break. hope hicks has depicted donald trump as somebody who was across all of the mediatatements that she worked on, was very much part of his press strategy, all of the statements and that one out. very in tune with how the press coverage would be affecting him and his campaign. she discussed h the campaign was in crisis after the access hollywood tape, how it was wall-to-wall media coverage for 36 hours until the presidential debate. even knocking a category four hurricane off

david packer, beyond devastating, there was a scheme, i had directly with donald trump, to catch and stories, deliberately false stories with a political candidate. those are two witnesses that you needed to come up with some argument that you are going to make to the jury as to why they should not be believed. those of the witnesses you need to attack, because that is the legal plane, if you think about what happened today, this was a cross for a political plane, but it made no sense for the witness to be subject to that cross. >> because donald trump is a little too litigious, there's a california case that was entered through stormy daniels testimony which andrew has been talking about repeatedly, it went and very quietly today, the da did not make a big deal of it, and in the california case where donald trump was suing stormy daniels, donald trump admits in writing under oath, i reimbursed michael cohen for the $130,000 that he paid to stormy daniels. so it is not a contested fact in this case.>> no. and also will be a contested fact after your friend, the paralegal at the das o

david packer, without mr. trump's approval. i mean, lisa, how important is it that we have cooperated testimony from pro-trump -- put that in quotes, pro-trump witnesses? >> it is huge, katie. there is another conversation that he testified to as well, because netanyahu testified that he or his representative was stiffed on his bonus at the end of 2016 by almost 2/3. and david packer testified that michael cohen not only shared with him that he had been stiffed on his bonus, but his outrage that trump, by late december 2016, had not repaid him, and he asked if he could talk to the boss about this. he said that he then had a conversation with trump in which trump never answered him directly, but instead raised the issue of michael cohen's significant wealth outside of his work for the trump organization, including through his taxi medallions. i think that they both have said that cohen paying on his own would be out of character and on any authority that he had and that he complained specifically to that, that is huge in terms o

, steinglass's attorney, joshua steinglass, he said that back in 2015, donald trump, coyne and david packer, this is the executive director of the national inquiry, they talked about catching and controlling negative stories about donald trump so they don't affect the election, and david packer was doing that, this stormy daniels story, that's one of several, michael cohen is aware at the behest of donald trump these... paid something and then he was falsely reimbursed by writing it off as legal fees, that was the prosecution's version when they talked about about michael cohen, they said that of course, and we didn't buy him from a witness shop, this is the man that donald trump hired, and every word he said, everything he said during the testimony, it was corroborated by other evidence or other testimony, donald trump himself, today, he with appeared in the courtroom, he must continue to be there today, he said... that such accusations that even mother teresa could not defend herself, the day before he again accused biden that this is political persecution. let's listen. i am here because

3 notes that have gone over today so far included revisiting testimony from michael cohen and david packer as well as what the jury can infer from facts presented at the trial pack and then the judge just revisited, reread 29 pages of the jury instructions. as part of those instructions, a big part has to do with michael collins testimony is specifically. remember he is the only person directly connecting former president donald trump to the stormy daniels deal. but cohen is considered an accomplice in this trial. the instructions read a defendant may not be convicted of any crime upon the testimony of an accomplice unless it's supported by corroborative evidence. so that means sword alone is not enough to convict trump. the jury also went over there are 3 options for the underlying crime trump is accused of. the jury can pick between a federal election campaign act violation, falsification of other business records, or a tax law violation which is something trump criticized today incorporate listen here. >> it's called victim. pick him and you have to be unanimous. just a couple votes. >>

about of the jury instructions, the first node as you mentioned has to do with testimony from david packer michael cohen, specifically relating to the 2015 trump tower meeting or prosecutors alleged in the conspiracy to unlawfully influence the 2016 election was born. in early before deliberations, we learn to jury instructions at the jury has a three separate options in regards to the underlying crime which is unlawfully influencing the 2016 election, but to meet the legal threshold of unlawful, in that law, here are the three options for the jurors be! the of dividers that trump falsified business records to conceal or commit eight federal election campaign act, the falsification of other business records, or a violation of tax laws. what's important is the juried a need to agree on which one of these trump is guilty of, only one of those three options. now toback instructor the jury in order to find a trumpet guilty, prosecutors must have proved that trump falsified or caused the falsification of business records, and that he did with the intent to commit or conceal one of those three p

the jurors sending two notes to the judge: requesting four pieces of testimony from david packer and cohen being read aloud. they also asked for the judge to reread the jury instructions that were given earlier today,, and earlier, donald trump going off on the trial and comparing himself to one of the most famous religious figures in history. >> this judge -- it's rigged. the whole thing is rigged. the country is a mess between the borders and fake elections and having a trial like this where the judge is so conflicted he can't breathe. he's got to do his job. not for me, that i can tell you. it's a disgrace and i mean that. mother teresa could not be those charges. people in this country see that this is a rigged deal. it's a weaponized deal for the democrats to hit their political opponents. for joe biden, the worst president in the history of the united states. >> dana: judge jeanine was there and now she is here, so let's turn it over to you and hear your thoughts. >> jeanine: i tell you, to me, it was a difficult day today. i heard a man in the room instructing a jury that -- o

when he said the reason he recorded his own client donald trump was to protect donald trump and david packer if you're going to protect donald trump asking permission tell him you are recording but he surreptitiously recorded. what happened when he told the prosecutor that did the prosecutor say oh my god you have to come up with a good reason for this what reason did he come up with. i want to know what information, advice prosecutors gave cohen because he is slick and appears in front of the jury is somebody prepared to testify from his own memory but if the jury learns all of this is a subjective preparation that his testimony was changed by the prosecutor it puts a different light on how his testimony is perceived once cross-examination is over i would try very hard to put on experts. judges ruled against that but i would push it hard particularly experts on federal election law and state election law because the judge doesn't know anything about those issues and if they could testify there was no violation of federal election law there goes the second crime. the judge may keep that out

david packer, the lawyer, this old guy. nobody has connected anything to do with donald trump.ic at this point. i think what president trump was saying, go forward, buddy. the constitution is more important. you are going to prove to the country and the world that you are turning this place into the third world country and a kangaroo court. do it, and you will pay the price for the last thing i will say is the only thing that is approved beyond a reasonable doubt is that everyone hates michael cohen. >> dana: that is for sure. greg, i have a message from the democrats are no judges coming to save them. even if that were to happen, it is not going to save them from an election in november. speeches every time they try to do something in trump know it just comes from. it reminds me of the cliches seen in every action movie where the hero is tied to a chair in the warehouse daunted by an armed and lethal enemy. one is the hero due after getting pistol-whipped? he smiles and spits blood back in the enemy's face. in that story that i told, who is the hero, and who is the abusing ene

is there anything, i believe david packer is one of many two people who said, ",yeah, i think you had to do with the campaign." what her testimony strong enough to make that link beyond reasonable doubt? >> i think the prosecution really rested on michael cohen saying that it was all about the campaign. and i think you're exactly right that david packer came early on but the real focus on the real ground in the prosecutor's jewels or the jewel in accra is michael cohen. michael cohen was the one that presses that they look at him as this is the key witness, this is their key witness to see the former president trump made these payments to stormy daniels because of the campaign and how convenient to each time he testified he talked about the fact that it was because of the campaign, i don't care about millennia, he brought up milani according to michael cohen's testimony but it's so clear that he has been really eviscerated during the cross-examination confidence that up to the cross-examination. back yesterday he admitted to being -- to have committed in formal -- felony because he's

reread portions of the jury instructions and also what to hear testimony from michael cohen and david packer about the crucial 2015 trump tower meeting as well as testimonies surrounding karen mcdougall. we are told jurors were engaged and were taking notes and now we wait for them. here is the president before deliberations began today. >> a very sad day for america the whole world is watching and it's a very said day for new york. doctor 2 of these trials already. the same kind of a judge its all rigged. the whole thing the whole system is rigged. >> shannon: okay cohost judge jeanine pirro is with me. you are poring over you're notes, let me talk about a couple thanks we know the jury asked for and get your impression. they wanted to hear this rain metaphor that the judge gave yesterday. it says, supposed to go to bed 1 night when it's not raining and you wake up in the morning he looked out it's not raining but you see this street and sidewalk are wet. under those circumstances might be reasonable to infer and conclude it rained during the night. what's your problem without? you do like

you will remember days ago david packer who was once the publisher of the "national enquirer" hintedhe was part of the 2015 meeting at trump tower that involved a number of people strategizing how to protect then candidate donald trump and his efforts to become president donald trump. today she testified she could not run for a specific meeting with president trump and david pecker she was a part of but she remembers conversations on phone calls between them which was negative for other candidates people like ben carson and others, ted cruz so she has a lot of information a lot of knowledge about that but did not say she was in the 2015 meeting at so many people and the prosecutors feel is really critical to this entire case. she has also been asked quite a bit about the access how i would take how they came to find out about it, what was the conversation in the campaign was there panic? was she aware of reaction to the tape? and this is one of the things that defense has fought about again and again to give it away from the jury. they are hearing about "access hollywood" tape again.

he has been calm. >> adding to that, the jury will be reminded by the prosecution , that's what david packerump tower. it wasn't in the interest of his business interest. things that cooperate a lot of the critical points he's made so when you think about the fact that hope hicks reiterated that there was concern on the side of the campaign, donald trump was concerned. considering the fact there had been reinforcement, if they believe michael cohen. the points that they landed didn't really go to some of the testimony or his demeanor. so what could be easy to forget when you've got one witness on the stand and a lot of hits that were landed. what will they really remember about what they've heard over the last weeks? how will the prosecution land it's closing to remind them of the facts of the case and how is the judge going to tell the jury what these instructions are about this? all of this will be part of what the jury decides. >> going back to christie, we will get to you, you know. but maya raised the question. remembering out the details i just don't think you could trust this guy. wha

steinglass argue that trump engaged in a conspiracy with cohen and david packer to seacrest -- suppressin 2016 election but the only person directly connecting trump to the stormy daniels deal is cohen himself are make an cohen of course had admitted to lying under oath several times. trump attorney par blanche called cohen the greatest player of all time today. accused cohen of blank several times understand and under trial as well including on the phone call threw trump's bodyguard keith schiller where he said he alerted trump of the daniel's deal despite text messages showing that he actually wanted to talk to schiller about harassing phone call that he was receiving. and also that he did work for trump in 2017 but didn't expect to be paid for that work. instead cohen maintaining that all payments were reimbursements for the stormy daniels deal. so a bit earlier prosecutors said they were one third of the way through the prosecution. we are inching forward but the trial is expected to go beyond its typical for 30:00 and date today. we have been told that trump will speak when port an

hicks goes to three people involved, david packer, the former publisher of "the national enquirer," trumphe candidate, and michael cohen. they all tell her there is nothing to the story. she goes to "the wall street journal" and says to them it is absolutely untrue, which of course is not the case, as jurors have heard last week from david packer himself. william: what achieve detail about cohen's subsequent negotiations with stormy daniels? andrea: she did not know a lot about it, but there was interesting testimony about how the story breaks. trump was in the white house and michael cohen, the wall street journal reporters do another story over a year later, they detail everything regarding stormy daniels. trump tells her that michael cohen did this on his own out of the goodness of his heart. the prosecution asked, does that sound like the michael cohen no? -- the michael cohen when you know? she basically said no, she did not know him to be a charitable person. she basically sniffed out the story but left the white house not long after. she went to fox news after coming back to the wh

they returned to the courtroom to request to reread testimony from david packer, publisher of the tablet enquirer." he testified about a catch and kill scheme to buy stories -- by and bury stories that might hurt trump's campaign. the judge told jurors they should set aside whatever bias they might have about mr. trump and only consider the evidence presented in court. during the six-week trial, the jury heard from several witnesses, including stormy daniels, and from michael cohen, donald trump's former attorney and fixer who paid miss daniels $130,000 to allegedly by her silence shortly before the 2016 presidential election. the defense argued it was built on lies told by mr. cohen. mr. trump: the whole thing is rigged, the whole country is a mess, between the borders and fake elections, and a trial like this. it is a disgrace. we will see. sumi: joining us live now is nick ackerman, former watergate prosecutor and assistant district attory in the southern district of new york. very good to have you on bbc world news america today. the jury asking for instructions. they have to go thro

for evidence to be read back about the august 2015 meeting at trump tower, attended by trump, david packere national enquirer, and michael cohen, and then asked for the conversation that was just between donald trump and david pecker in june of 2016. d it seemed that not surprised. sumi: donald trump convicted in the first trial of a former president. take us through how historic this is from your perspective. >> having been involved in the watergate case, if president ford had not pardoned donald trump back in 1974, and we had gone ahead and indicted him for instruction -- for obstruction of justice and falsifying his tax returns, this would not be the big deal it is today. this is a big deal because it is the first time a u.s. president in our entire history has ever been convicted of a crime. not only that, he could be the presidential nominee for the republican party, and ironically, as a convicted felon, he may not be able to vote for himself. sumi: take us through these 34 counts in what they meant. you have talked a little bit about this, but why you think the jurors came out with t

and they wanted to see the testimony from him, david packer, and they also wanted to hear from michael cohen, and that was trump's former lawyer and fix or who was testified against him in this trial. and one of the things they're trying to establish whether the events occurred as the prosecution said, it was cohen who said that trump made those payments deliberately in order to pay off stormy daniels before the election. so the voters wouldn't know when that's the crime. we're talking about here at 34 instances of trust. trump writing a check should cohen to cover that up. so they're going to go over each of those checks and they're going to go over the testimony. and the defense shoes are usually cohen simply isn't credible. the prosecutors have argued, you don't have to rely on cohens testimony because we have lots of other testimony and documents pick show that donald trump covered up this payment. and john a so now a 2nd day of deliberation. so what can we expect next? well, at some point they're going to come to a verdict if it comes early, it could come as soon as today. there a

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information from the voting public, bringing figures like the tabloid editor of the national inquirer david packerll them before they reach the public to someone like stormy daniels's lawyer keith davidson who outlined that the payment was being done ahead of the 2016 election. then prosecutors moved into what they said was the cover—up with testimony from donald trump's organisation's former controllerjeff mccartney and another accounting executive. as they outlined the payments, the physical records, invoices, e—mails, ledgers and checks that they say all corresponded to the reimbursement of michael cohen for the so—called hush money payment and then it stormy daniels with her vivid, salacious testimony. that was meant to corroborate her account that the alleged sexual encounter with donald trump did take place and that she was paid off to keep silent about it. the defence all throughout tried to sew enough doubt in jurors minds but with michael cohen, he is a make or break witness for prosecutors. he has a history of lying under oath, so he is problematic. but they are hoping that they have bui

allegedly engaged in a conspiracy by suppressing negative stories about himself with michael cohen and david packer. that's what elevates 34 misdemeanors and here is trump earlier today. >> we have a rigged court case this is all about election hunting and going after joe biden political opponents. >> reporter: trump posted this on truth social in one word you see it the prosecution took almost six hours. joshua made the quote there's a "mountain of evidence and argue trump directed business records to be falsified rather than falsifying them himself. focus on the credibility problem with the prosecution star witness michael cohen and called cohen the greatest lawyer of all time and cohen is the only person directly connecting trump to the election scheme and trump maintains all payments to cohen present legitimately collected and says you cannot send someone to present based upon the words of michael cohen and the judge immediately called that comment highly inappropriate and reminded the jury he alone has the responsibility to decide trump's punishment if the jury finds him guilty and court resum

michael cohen told the story of the initial meeting between david packer, donald trump and michael cohenme. he took the jury to the timeline, the 26 october timeframe when stormy 0ctober timeframe when stormy daniels was paid off. what was keeping him to talk about is what trump was saying is key event, whether paying the doorman who had a story, and eventually paying stormy daniels. before we had testimony what michael cohen told others but today provided by donald trump was telling him when he was making these acts. remind us why michael cohen is so important. he was a close confidant of donald trump? he was by his sizes long before he ever_ was by his sizes long before he ever ran — was by his sizes long before he ever ran for president. reporters like myself remember dealing — reporters like myself remember dealing with him and he was notoriously able dog in fighting for trump and his cognitive, going after anyone who— cognitive, going after anyone who is— cognitive, going after anyone who is suspected of getting in trump's — who is suspected of getting in trump's way or siding trium

they want to hear more or again about david packer's testimony and regarding to what he had with the former president donald trump about karen mcdougall, the claiborne model who alleged had a relationship with the former president. how it came to be trump did not paying for the story rights, $150,000 david pecker's company left paying. they want to hear about that again and the last pieces of testimony, they want to hear how packer talked about meeting with donald trump and michael cohen trump tower in 2015 when packer said allegedly he beady eyes and ears for the trump campaign and they want to hear what michael cohen had to say about that trump tower meeting. all of it seems to suggest the jurors are interested in getting more understanding of this alleged so-called catch and kill scheme but the karen mcdougal situation. i can tell you moments ago trying to figure out what portions of the testimony would be appropriate. the court resume tomorrow morning around 9:30 a.m. in the believe our esteemed colleague look into, why is it that jurors are not receiving a copy of the instructio

. >> reporter: the convictions came after testimony for david packer and michael cohen. meeting with a map trump tower, put the illegal scheme into motion. the jury saw the trump financial documents the reimbursed cohen for paying stormy daniels and the checks trump signed to repay cohen falsely claiming they were for cohen's legal work and despite his good ability issues, the jury did seem to believe michael cohen. after the raid, cohen told fox news today is an important day for accountability and rule of law. it has been is of occult journey for me and my family, the truth always matters. it turns out in 2018, the president did tweet that he did reimburse michael cohen for the nondisclosure agreement with stormy daniels and included that information to reimburse michael cohen to reimburse the financial disclosure forms. for attorneys to raise during the appeal and the appeal has to be filed in the next 30 days. stuart: former manhattan da prosecutor joins me now. jonathan turley, law professor, george washington university says, turley says he's convinced the decision

testimony this morning they asked for about a meeting trump had with national inquirer publisher david packere trump pal and lawyer michael cohen. the da says they haven't started the alleged scheme to protect trump's presidential campaign and illegally influence the election, that meeting was held at trump tower august of 2,015 just two months after trump launched his bid for the white house. becker told the jury when he testified on april 22nd, quote, at that meeting donald trump and michael asked me what i could do and what my magazines could do to help the campaign. i said i would be your eyes and ears. if i hear anything negative about your self or if i heard anything about women selling stories i would notify michael cohen. cohen testified about that meeting 3 weeks later on may 13th and backed up that testimony. what he said was that he could keep an eye out for anything negative about donald trump and he would be able to help. he also said trump said directly the two of you should work together and anything negative that comes, let michael know, the jury will hear about the phone call

. >> trace: he has let cohen and david packer explained that they believe that the nda violated federal no authority to enforce federal law and marchant has no expertise in it. shouldn't the jury here from one person who knows something about subject federal law. no federal crime, nobody has talked about and that's where they are charging. >> all they've proved is there was a payment to stormy daniels which is legal and an nda was executed and that's legal. everything you've heard today up until now is legal. cohen blewett when he admitted that trump told him to go figure it out. that's one of the most important parts of the abscess... >> the firearms were going off in the courthouse today. >>> that's how you stick the landing right there. 53-year-old pilot landing gear failed so he circled the newcastle airport for hours until he was able to burn enough fuel to land safely. police said it was a textbook wheels up landing. they got the nickname carmella by social media. video shows him on a rooftop after an intense flooding. he was stranded for more than a day before a team of firefight

[applause] is it, the things that david packer, the "national enquirer" differ from port unregisteredthe rights. i have a reason. i may never publish it. catch and kill. that happens frankly all the time. what doesn't happen is that you do it no way to try to prevent having to report campaign conjugation. there are limits to that. if you do not report that, the crime is that you are shielding something. you're hiding something. the trick here is going to be whether you can prove why they did it. was it just because he was trying to prevent his family from knowing? he says i am a family man and i would never cheat on my wife. [laughter] you can say that. >> stephen: an impartial jury of new yorkers right there. >> laura: the prosecution is going to say no, you are doing it because he was trying to do it the benefit of the campaign and even if that's a little bit true, that's enough. >> stephen: we talk a lot about him falling asleep. it's so exciting. when he is someplace where he can't hide and have another burger break, he falls asleep like any 78-year-old man would. we, as we said t

anything about federal campaign finance law, the jury got expert testimony from michael cohen and david packerat is exactly what they are going to go on. one last point about this, there is nothing factually in the record about the election laws coming into the case until the fec started asking questions in 2018, which is long after all the payments to cohen and long after the nondisclosure agreements were negotiated. so, it is not possible that they could convict him beyond a reasonable doubt when there is no evidence in the record that trump was even thinking about the federal election laws let alone willfully plotting to violate them. >> laura: okay, sol, very quickly some jurors want to reread part of the testimony of david pecker and michael cohen appeared and it looks like on the issue of perhaps establishing intent on the part of the defendant, president trump. can we read into that anything about a possible outcome? >> welcome i think it is a good sign, i think for team trump that they are asking these questions and going over the testimony. to me, in the case, there are some disagreem

that's really consistent with what we've been hearing from previous witnesses, including david packerho led the national enquirer. they got really heated on cross and it dues this is where we get to see the defences discrediting witnesses of discrediting donald trump come into play. they hit davidson saying he was bored lying trying to extort donald trump. they said he actually had a history of trading cash for dirt on celebrities such as the actor charlie sheen and her wrestler hulk hogan. he even saying he was investigated by state and federal prosecutors. he even had davidson acknowledge on the stand that he never talked to donald trump directly. that is just one attempt to hit back at his assertion that this was all for the campaign. we will see if it's enough. fin this was all for the campaign. we will see if it's enough.— this was all for the campaign. we will see if it's enough. on the gag order, will see if it's enough. on the gag order. nada. _ will see if it's enough. on the gag order, nada, did _ will see if it's enough. on the gag order, nada, did that _ will see if it's en

testifying that she did not recall david packer who ran the national enquirer, agreeing to help the trumpks also dumped cold water on the prosecution star witness, the admitted liar, michael cohen. saying he often inserted himself into campaign activities. they told the court, quote, he used to call himself mr fix-it. but it was only because he first broke it. all in all, a pretty good day for trump. he is saying thank god it's friday. >> the government and et cetera and in particular, likely this office of the da which is letting violent crime run rampant over our city. it is a vicious, radical left lunatics, the da sought as an act. so i just want to wish everyone a very good weekend. >> pete: had a good weekend! and for all of the chaos surrounding the politicized case, it does not seem to be moving the needle with voters. a majority or not paying attention. to them it is just more white noise surrounding the election and more election interference. now that kind of number is triggering severe cases of trumped arrangement syndrome and hollywood. and robert de niro needs serious medical

trail is really important, i mean we saw that all the way back in week one, where we heard from david packer, he talked about seeing with his own eyes donald trump signing checks in invoices presented to him by his former assistant, and that's the foundation that prosecutors are building in order to establish that yes, there were these paper trails, these are the types of paper that trump was involved with.>> donald trump himself has fashioned himself as being very on top of things, that he ran this company, and testimony has very much pointed to that as well. after all this intrigue, how is the prosecution going to bring documents into the trial without putting the jury to sleep? this part of the case can be really comp located, right?>> most white-collar cases don't have the salacious nests, you just have the documents, because this jury notice, those are the only charges, those 34 documents, they are going to pay attention, they are going to look at each donald trump signature check. i think the jurors, they are not to fall asleep, they are going to be paying attention, the whole ball gam

he does not might david packer's testimony.uy so listen to couple of days and has no problem and he gets on the stand at doesn't look like it's going to be a problem even though they haven't spoken and two years. >> no problem, she clearly our role as press secretary did what she was supposed to do a pressing, she gathered the facts and talk to her boss but they are trying to backdoor the access hollywood tape. you can quote it but cannot play it. the axis hollywood tape zero relevance to anything regarding stormy daniels but this is what the prosecution is doing, make this salacious, they want the conviction, they don't care if they are overturned on appeal and they will be because of the weinstein case and the roof you cannot bring it uncharged crimes that have no direct bearing on the evidence at hand and crime charged so i think it will be overturned and they don't care, that happened next year. this is about politics. >> president likes media as much as he hates new york times, he likes being on times magazine. what a seco

as the tabloid publisher david packer.ics is always buzzing. what's the mood in washington?— buzzing. what's the mood in washinuton? ., ~' ., ~' washington? you know, i think the big question _ washington? you know, i think the big question is _ washington? you know, i think the big question is what - washington? you know, i think the big question is what does l the big question is what does this mean for the campaign and that seems to be on most people's mind. of course there's also the question of what this means for sort of the longer—term picture for the rule of law and the united states. should donald trump win the presidency now, you're going to have an elected official who is in a position, who has kind of beat the criminaljustice who has kind of beat the criminal justice system. who has kind of beat the criminaljustice system. so the there's a question here as to what that means for city president —— sitting president who could potentially flout decisions from the securement —— the supreme court. does the trust adm

example, "and said that he surreptitiously taped the former president for his protection to keep david packerse at all. no one can make any sense out of how taping donald trump would somehow affect him. in fact the call itself seem to indicate that trump had very little information about the deals that had been arranged by cohen. it seems clear to most of us that he was banking and insurance against trump that this was to be compromising information that he may use later. and that would be completely consistent with michael cohen. the only consistent element in his career is that he will only tell the truth if he has no alternative and he always asked for his own best interest. >> jesse: so does the defence call his exlawyer to the stand and it blows his will testimony up? >> that would be something, wouldn't it? you just have the president's formal council testifying against him and then have his former counsel former counsel testifying against him. at some point, it is going to get awfully strange. i don't think that they will. i think there's a strong temptation to just rest. i do not thin

kailey: last night, they sent multiple note to the judge saying they wanted to rehear from david packere information specifically what packer about the catching kill scheme related to the story of the 2015 meeting. they heard some of that testimony today and they reheard about half of the jury instructions from the judgment they have requested. they wanted headphones to be able to hear evidence on the laptop as well and all those matters are dealt with this morning in around 11:15 a.m. is when the jury began deliberations. we are now just over one hour and change into the second day of liberation. we have no idea how long this ultimately could go and it's hard to read into the notes the jury sent and what they mean about the jury's thinking. we are on a waiting game in that includes former president trump whose there were presumptive republican dominic -- nominate. not only will in acquittal impact him personally but how it implied him electorally as in -- as he's the middle of a presidential campaign. vonnie: we will follow along and balance of power and listening for all of the delibe

and that is not a man part of a conspiracy with the billionaire and a billion-dollar company in david packer ami and the national enquirer to kill stories for money to unlawfully impact an election. that's a man acting on his own why he doesn't tell his wife. a hundred and 30 grand to the trump organizations are paid out of accounts payable, why not do it in 2016 but why wait because that's when they found out about it because cohen acting on his own. >> jesse: you get up there pointing try to get under cohen skin and call him a liar and prove it and said you mean this? didn't you say this? and get him rattled. >> sure. he said this yesterday but didn't you two years ago say this? play videos of him testifying before congress or his other interviews were he's very compelling seemingly telling the truth about the former president similar to the testimony today that if you believe what he had to say today that he was compelling that he has lied under oath as the skies a serial liar so will throw absolute haymakers the states will arrest this week and believe the feds deserves a directed verdic

he secretly recorded truck leading up to the 2016 election regarding a payment to the inquire david packere also admitted he paid adult film actor stormy daniels $100,000 out of his own pocket using a home equity loan to avoid angering his wife that trump wanted to bury the story until after the election. your reaction lee carter. >> when you look at everything the republicans look at it one way and democrats in an entirely different way democrats say the testimony was actually michael cohen is really valid witness in renew look at the polling is energizing donald trump space you have nearly 72% of americans saying there's a two-tier system of justice they don't think this is fair and half of americans think this is politically motivated. the more this goes on the more questions people have and the more benefits donald trump. when you see the enthusiasm and you look at his rally in new jersey over the weekend you see people are excited to support him and overall they need to fight against the unfairness and support donald trump, he is seen as a victim much more than anything else and i thi

common in politics and the media and they're talking about this catch and kill whole thing that david packer and what he's saying is that now they're trying to say this was what really influenced the election. to take stormy daniels out of the mix here and there is no way that trump wins this in 2016. >> and think about what we heard from hope hex and others understand who essentially were saying this was something that was not just a campaign consideration. according to them under oath that president trump was very worried about how these things would play with hoffinger. he was worried about protecting his family. and so that is where the jury instructions will be so important was this solely about quieting a story that would hurt the campaign visit or limit -- turn into camping violation, and electrolobe i will -- arrest is also about other things got protecting his reputation, protecting his family actually gives wide, many men would make the argument that would be the most important thing for th them. >> trace: and being fully have like 45 seconds left but i want to know going back to t

. >> they went through the david packer's testimony about catch and kill and nondisclosure agreementsne of that as you pointed out is illegal. there is no crime dave been able 2.2 the new get these salacious material and testimony of stormy daniels. it might be interesting for some people back not be in particular but salacious, yeah, back not relevant not material fact nothing about the law. and then you had this disaster today. what impact they have fought have been a michael cullen today i will say todd blanche was masterful today. >> i think that's absolutely correct. i was criticizing cohen when he represented trump. he and i go way back. not particularly fond of each other. people kept saying lucky is being coached and wrapped. never quite believed that, i never believed he could retain his composure that's what everyone is telling them to do but he is a pathological liar. that's his m.o. before they return to that nature and we saw that where he appears to made up a key phone call i'll just say that's 1 i told trump and it really resulted in a spectacular explosion in the middl

that's strictly in opposition to eye david packer testify to a couple weeks ago.ent ballistic, he was angry and cursing saying my boss we'll be vary unhappy. so that's a big hole right there and that's from colin's own mouth. so interested to see if the defence we'll raise that tomorrow among other things. >> yes they've got all these contradictions to deal with. lastly carrie have you noticed something that's jumped out at you that you aren't expecting? you know the story backwards and forwards. is there something you weren't expecting here today that they kind of played up. >> i would say nothing other than cohen directly saying i told trump i was going to front the money, i told him after i wired the money to keep davidson but that was predictable. we just haven't heard it directly from michael cohen yet. but again i think it will be interesting when that starts happening. >> trace: it will and maybe that will happen tomorrow. thank you carrie we appreciate you're time as always. meantime republican allies give former president trump a courthouse show of suppor

was to catch and kill these stories you think you would pay more but that makes the point it's david packering to run these deals. donald trump essentially saying fine, that is great if my friend at ami, my attorney, my fixer can take care of this send me the bill later on and i will take care of it. and we see some ambivalence in donald trump in the course of the months following through with payment on karen mcdougal and we heard audio recording yesterday between donald trump where it seems to be him leaving the drive and lines how to handle the situation as opposed to donald trump being the mastermind behind this which is the prosecution's claiming. >> sandra: jim mattis been interesting to see the former president outside of the courtroom seizing more opportunity to campaign. his big frustration that he is sitting in the room and not campaigning out there. more and more we have been seeing him out there. obviously more questions with the gag order and the impact that would have. the president does have the ability to campaign in the fire department with the construction workers it seems

i do feel like that was just, we have come so far from david packer. michael cohen was on the stand last and what he has been saying has been corroborated already by david pecker and hope hicks so i didn't really believe that moment and said that it was this kind of absolute ripper bombshell as the human printer is looking at me saying this is it we were working for. >> well and it is this other piece of there, todd blanche bombed. and so in trump world, you only get the bomb in a public performative capacity once so there is the legal blow he clearly landed on michael cohen, which they were expecting on tuesday, which they previewed with the press on tuesday. that was his goal tuesday. he did not achieve that goal to stay. it was described on fox news as on even. he lands the blow on thursday, what did david kelly say yesterday, cohen is there really as a fact witness, everything had been pre- corroborated, pre-established. he is there to sort of add a human voice to things that people have already seen with their own eyes percocet a rochell it documen