there's no doubt about it, and i would argue as i have that until you get a strong deputy like a david packwoodn there this won't get under control. >> is ash carter that strong depend 90. >> it remains to be seen. we don't know yet for sure. because that's a management procurement we have not seen in his generation of being in the pentagon. >> i would have to say judging from ash carter's popularity he's made some hard choices because he's made a lot of people mad. >> depending on just treading water now. every year they're handed a continuing resolution to -- up to six months fiscal year, which is causing disruptions for contracts and bids and program managers, that kind of continued to happen this year. the overwhelming amount of cuts in the procurement account but a lot of r&d too so everybody just wants to get by to january to figure this out. >> but let help come back to the deputy secretary ash carter, because he has been a fairly controversial figure, specifically because of the way he's done a lot of program changes overseeing programs like the f35. i think that could actually be indic