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earlier this afternoon i spoke with retired general david petraeus, the former director of the cia. send for the united states to press allies to provide tanks to ukraine when it won't do the same? >> an unhelpful message i think at this point, wolf. look, there are understandable reasons for not wanting to give the m1 abrams tank, the u.s. main battle tank. it's much hefbian than the others. it's a good ten times heavier than the german tank. it's much more difficult to maintain. it's a jet engine basically a turbine surrounded by armor. the spare parts and all the rest of that, the diagnostics are very, very challenging. that said if giving 14 tanks, say armored company's worth of tanks to ukraine allows the germans to provide their tanks and to approve that other countries have poland, baltic states, finland and other states of nato that have those, i think it's very much worth it. and i think it's time to get on with this, frankly. this is another one of those pivotal moments in ukraine. the battle lines have been pretty static. russia has been making incremental gains at great

remember, david petraeus got in a lot of trouble for sharing classified information with someone thatng as to what is is the contents of this these documents? >> carley: feels like the popular opinion when all is said and done neither president biden or former president trump are going to face any sort of legal ramifications for this or be indicted whatsoever. one within a sells out the other. but if regular american mishandled classified documents, the outcome would be much different. how do you feel about that? >> it's true. carley, one of the problems we have a system that no one is above the law but we do see these examtion where it appears that people do get away at the highest levels with things that their employees and underlings would never get away with. we're going to watch, i think, whether or not these two special counsels coordinate, talk about the law, what the law should be and how to apply it to these facts because ultimately. it's the same exact statutes. and i thought the donald trump case is actually more sympathetic because as a president he had the ability to decl

and, you know, as you say, there have been a bunch of people, john deutsche, david petraeus took classified documents. they both were prosecuted for it. obviously it's a little more complicated. it's even more complicated with biden because, as we saw during the trump term, once you're the president you can't be criminally prosecuted according to justice department rules, so he would seem protected there. but if you're merrick garland and you're a very careful, judicious -- he was a judge -- attorney general, you have to make a decision at some point and it's going to be him, not the special counsel, do you bring charges against donald trump. you've got to know that he's going to figure into that, factor into that. we've also got a special prosecutor looking at joe biden. the circumstances are different, the cooperation is different, but it does make it awfully hard to do one and not the other. >> before we move on, and you know we've got to go quickly because we have a time issue, but how do you think -- what do you think of the handling, how the biden administration is handling this and k

that's a famous question that david petraeus posed during the iraq war.situation we're in right now. how does the war end when you're fighting against the world's largest nuclear power. maria: what do you think? how does it end? >> well, i think there are two big possibilities if you rule out escalation into the disaster scenario that we're talking about. one is that we find some sort of negotiated compromise and that's something that very many people in the west contemplate. the other possibility is this war just grinds on in an unsettled stalemate for a long time to come and we have what is essentially an open wound in europe that radiates instability for years to come and one that leaves ukraine essentially destroyed as a result and that's not a good scenario either. so we're going to have to wrestle with some very hard questions. maria: you know, george, this is also happening at a time that the united states is facing debt at 120% of gdp. you know that the congress is going to have a real showdown in the coming months when the u.s. exhausts all oppor

i want to go now to the former cia director and retired army general david petraeus. thank you for your time. we were watching the and talking but ukraine wants 3 to 400 tanks but they getting about 100 of the combined, also with leopards, each of which have their own attributes. 31 abrams and 80 leopards, then the uk also sending challenger tanks. so, you look at what's been promised. what does it mean? how significant does that change the battle? >> is huge is significant. and symbolically, the next step is being taken. it is very significant substantively. on the battlefield, the take is the centerpiece of combined arms operations, which are what will be necessary to have successful offensives this summer. maybe late spring by ukraine. to take back, to liberate more of the territory that russia has occupied since 24 february. the tank is a piece of which everything else will be built. fighting vehicles, already providing those. training them in germany. there will be artillery, we provide a lot of that. air defense, engineers, electronic warfare. eod, drones out fr

general david petraeus pleaded guilty in 2015 to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified documents. he was sentenced to two years probation, reality winner got five years. sandy berger fined and sentenced to two years probation. there didn't seem to be any hesitation with regards to these people regarding what they did with classified documents. at this point, donald trump is a civilian. why is he not treated like every person who is accused of taking and holding classified documents illegally? >> let's be realistic here. there are going to be different results depending on the facts and circumstances. the other thing everyone loses sight of is that every prosecutor has a discretion to charge the case and to prosecute the case in the manner that he or she deems appropriate. you may have a prosecutor that's extremely aggressive, and moves forward in a much more rapid pace, seeking perhaps even harsher penalties than another prosecutor. it's all a matter of discretion. that doesn't mean someone is getting unequal justice as opposed to someone else. that's just the way that our system

e evid overwthe evidence was ovg if you're going to prosecute david petraeus, sandy berger, john deutch and people in the military for far less, it was a terrible injustice, nott to bring a case against hillarya clinton. but, you know, james comey didme this unbelievable legal pirouette and so said a d no prosecutor would bring such a case. every prosecutor in america i would have loved to have bringwo brought such an easyul case. b. >> all right.more thank you both, professor. thank you, greg jarra. thank you. more big news tonight. biden's right hand man, ron klain, will soon be leaving the white house. so the timing is perfect.ng i according to reports, biden'snd brain is leaving and his former covid czar, jeff zients, will replace him. that's right. y ththe guy that oversaw biden's infamous dark winter oawf severn illness and death will soon be running the administration. >> god help us now. science is , of course, a big time champion of vaccine mandates, covid boosters, even though the latest variants don't show would work at all.n h >> the same shots that have utterly failed to li