army general and former cia director david petraeus. thank you for joining me, sir.alk about the impact on ukraine, but let's talk about what's happening inside russia. a wild 24 hours. what do you think of what happened and what do you believe it means for putin's standing inside russia? >> well, i think, clearly putin is weakened. his government is weakened. the irony is that his junior partner in belarus lukashenko had to bail him out of this. prigozhin kept his life, but lost his wagner group, and he should be very careful around open windows in his new surroundings in belarus where he's going. clearly, prigozhin lost his nerve. he was, as you noted earlier within two hours' drive of the outskirts of moscow where they were trying to prepare defensive positions. this rebellion, although it had some applause along the way didn't appear to be generating the kind of support that he'd hoped it would and again, he decided to take the deal and a stunning series of developments. putin fled moscow, reportedly, didn't stay around and we haven't seen anything of putin's min

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we think, even though the retired general david petraeus warned that the wagner group leader to stay away from open windows there. prigozhin said his military firm was bound to and we quote cease existence on july 1. but with no wagner, does success in ukraine look more like no chance? we're on it with greg palkot on how anxious europe is responding. gillian turner at the state department on what the administration is saying. and senate intelligence committee chairman mark warner on the potential fallout he's seen and retired major general david petrard with putin back in charge but unclear how much in charge. forget about from russia with love. it's like russia with the world at a loss. welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. you think you had this whole thing in russia figured out? in a world, not even close. greg palkot in kyiv with more. greg? >> remarkable stuff, neil. today we're dealing with duelling statements from two very large figures and all the turmoil in the last couple days in this region. nothing really syncs up. let's back up for a little bit. remember the wagner mercen

let's speak to a former head of the cia, retired general david petraeus. missed an opportunity here? well, i don't think so. i think the west has been very careful to try and show that it has been on the sidelines. this is not a cia plot. we didn't bring this about. we don't need any more friction than already exists. it isjust need any more friction than already exists. it is just fine for us, frankly per trip the old adage, if your enemy is making mistakes, don't interrupt him, and that's the case here. today, we saw putin, having got prigozhin stand down yesterday using lukashenko to broker a deal, now he is trying to reassert himself and show he is still in charge, trying to be the strongman still. we see the re—emergence of the minister of defence. i agree very much with your report that it would be unlikely now to see the minister and the chief of the general staff replaced any time soon. putin can't seem at all to be caving in, although, in effect, he did. reportedly, he left moscow yesterday, so he didn't do what zelensky said, which was to not tak

want to go to a former cia director, general david petraeus. general, very good to have you. >> thanks, neil. >> neil: let me ask you something that alexander lukashenko said. referring to the wagner group and prigozhin himself. that we will watch both closely, keep a close eye on him. we will also test our combat readiness and in full combat readiness mode. he said that in response to their arrival in belarus. we don't know how many besides mr. prigozhin. what did you make of that? >> keep in mind that putin gave the wagner soldiers three choices. they can go home, sign the contract with the ministry of defense and become russian soldiers no, longer under the wagner command and control or go with prigozhin to belarus. it's not clear how many have gone there. this reflects the reality that putin doesn't want to lose the services of the wagner group outside russia and ukraine. in order, in syria, north africa, west africa and so forth where they're useful to russian interests. clearly this will take off the battlefield in ukraine the most effect

that's retired us general david petraeus. - nato will send more soldiers to kosovo after peacekeepinglashes with protesters. the conflict began when ethnic—albanian mayors took over in several towns, where ethnic serbs are in the majority. more troops are on standby. us media reports say donald trump's former vice president, mike pence, will officiallyjoin the race for the white house next week. he's expected to begin his campaign for the republican nomination with a speech in iowa. his poll ratings so far are low, putting him far behind mrtrump. ammunition believed to be from the hms prince of wales and another ship which were sunk by japanese forces more than 80 years ago were found on board a ship. these are highly desirable... to find out why, let's speak to the curator of naval heritage and archaeology at the australian national maritime museum, james hunter. thank you forjoining us. goad thank you for “oining us. good morning. — thank you for “oining us. good morning. rm _ thank you forjoining us. good morning. i'm interested - thank you forjoining us. good morning. i'm interest

what about david petraeus the former director, what about president clinton's former lawyer who tried to sneak documents out he went to the national archives and took documents out. what about hillary clinton who after the fact was determined to have information on these servers why weren't they prosecuted. these are questions thator at te end of the day there is discussion about the charges you bring into the charges you don't bring so then the question is in this case why was the prosecutorial discretion used to bring the charges at a time when the head of the executive branch is running against the former head of the executive branch?. these are valid questions for people to ask good questions that will be raised almost certainly at the trial. there is an argument that a sitting president can't be a crime orh prosecuted if the only remedy for that is impeachment. that was argued in the department of justice counsel memo and former president trump is reelected he might point to that and he might argue that even out of office bringing the charges is unprecedented and the case might b

officers of our time, general petraeus. >> general petraeus's briefing was comprehensive. >> general david petraeuswas asked to do a very difficult job, and he did it with distinction. >> doing his job with distinction until he didn't. the fbi caught petraeus sharing classified material with an author that he had a relationship with and also misleading the fbi. he turned a corner and pled guilty, avoiding prison and paying a fine. same for president clinton's national security advicer who lifted classified documents from the archives, cutting them up with scissors, but then cooperated to avoid prison and pay a fine. so history shows you can be guilty -- those were actual guilty pleas, and still avoid prison entirely. yet many other people serve hard time for these same type of crimes, especially when they are busted and then insist on fighting to the end rather than turning that corner i mentioned. now, people may be following this doj cause because of donald trump. in the news right now there's case of an fbi veteran hit with a four-year sentence for taking classified documents, a situation that e

iraq war hero david petraeus reached a plea deal for giving highly classified documents to his mistressser sandy berger also pleaded guilty for taking government materials from an archive. joining me is congresswoman madeleine dean. i note all that and will add one more thing. donald trump's entire campaign in 2016 was based on him believing that she should be locked up, lock her up. that chant was about classified documents. let me play donald trump calling on russia to find her emails and saying that essentially she is a criminal. here he is. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. let's see if that happens. that will be next. >> because time is a sieve, that seems like 100 years ago, but that was his whole campaign. in this indictment, he again references hillary clinton, saying his lawyers ought to simply delete and get rid of the classified documents because in his imagination, that is what happened for hillary clinton, and of course, it is not. your thoughts. >> well

david petraeus was caught red handed doing something similar, but not as egregious. he pled and he got no jail time and a deal was worked out. so you could end up with somebody trying to say look, let's try and wrap all of this up in manhattan, georgia, the federal cases, and see what kind -- what is the best deal we could get. there is reporting that one of his attorneys did try that and donald trump said i'm not interested. and that's because donald trump is really running on two different levels. one is sort of his real game here is to have a political solution where either he or another republican wins and he gets pardoned because one of the reasons that as you noted he seemed so scared in the bret baier interview is in a forum where facts and law matter, you know, he has nothing -- he can't really make any arguments there because it seems very clear that he's guilty. and he is showing that in his demeanor. so he's really running on a very different forum, which is the political one, where facts and law may not matter to significant part of the electorate. >> yea

former cia director david petraeus had this warning for prigozhin, referencing a number of prominent russians who have died in unclear circumstances in the past, prigozhin kept his life but lost his wagner group and he should be very careful around open windows in his new surroundings in belarus, where he's going. ukraine hopes to capitalize on the chaos. wagner troops have played a crucial role in the war, taking part in some of the longest battles in eastern ukraine. experts fear this weekend's revolt could make putin more desperate. ukraine's intelligence chief says russia has completed preparations to potentially blow up the zaporozhye nuclear plant, saying the situation has never been so serious. and meanwhile, oil prices rose overnight after the revolt sparked concerns about political instability. pretty andrew justin, thank you for that update. >> we turn now to the latest in the investigation into last week's sub implosion in the north atlantic, which killed all five people on board. >> investigators will review voice recordings and other data from the sub's mothership, the p

everyone, at the same time, there is such a statement from the former director of the cia, general david petraeuscounteroffensive will be very impressive and the climax may come there in 72 96 hours after the start, russia will suffer massive losses, why are they taking such indicators are temporary for determining the stage of corruption in the offensive actions, well, first of all, general potryv knows exactly what he is talking about, because with his experience in commanding troops, such assessments can be given why 72-96 hours, let's recall the operation to liberate the raisin and the subsequent liberation of the kharkiv region, during the first 48 hours, the first line of defense was breached and the enemy's interpositional space was destroyed , that is, if in the first 3-4 days we will be able to destroy the enemy's defense and further actions at the operational level - this will be done to catch up with those who are fleeing, and now the bank is talking about the fact that ukraine should think about creating a new army, that is, improving the option that is available with access to a more

and in an exclusive interview with the bbc, former us military chief general david petraeus was optimistic of success in the anticipated upcoming counteroffensive. by by their public announcements, they have at least six additional armoured brigades. and others that they have equipped with western tanks and fighting vehicles. they have been training at our training centre in germany and the uk, eastern poland and ukraine. they are positioning those forces now, and when the ground is sufficiently dry, the tanks can go cross country, because you have to get off the road. without being mired. and with the arrival of some additional equipment that president zelensky has identified in the past, i think we will see this counter offensive, and i think it's going to be very impressive. earlier, i spoke to john bolton, former us national security advisor to president trump, to get his thoughts on the us support for ukraine. it's great to have you on our show. today, the white house announced further aid to ukraine, munitions for patriot air defence systems, anti—aircraft systems, ammunition and ant

the irony, why didn't donald trump pick david petraeus? he said he couldn't pick him because he mishandled classified documents. and he said it just wouldn't be right, even if i didn't, even if i didn't mind, he goes, those generals, let me tell you, those generals hate people that mishandle documents. i would have a mutiny on my hands. so he doesn't pick david petraeus for being sloppy with classified documents and then he does this. >> and the alice in wonderland world we're living in, david petraeus and sandy berger are now being raised by republicans for an indication of why donald trump shouldn't be prosecuted because all of those other people weren't. the level of misinformation that is being deliberately put out there is having an impact. i think most voters in the suburbs will say, yes, i'm going to walk away, there's too many problems. but there may be some who actually do start believing. >> let's set the scene for what's going to be happening today. former president donald trump is just hours away from his first scheduled court

here is the former director of the cia, general david petraeus on what he believes may have happened. >> clearly, prigozhin lost his nerve. he was, as you noted earlier, within roughly two hours' drive of the moscow outskirts where they were starting to prepare defensive positions. this rebellion, although it had some applause along the way, didn't appear to be generating the kind of support that he had hoped it would. >> so in other words, if you're going to take vienna, take vienna. but is that how you see it? is that the most likely explanation here, cold feet? >> you know, i used to work for the general at fort leavenworth, and i respect him absolutely, but he may not be right. he could be right. but there are other explanations as for why prigozhin may have stopped. we don't exactly know what happened in this deal. we don't know when the phone calls were made. they have made the phone call and that's why he stopped. i just think it's really early to draw conclusions on this yet, and i would be wary of anyone who couches this as though they know something, even general petraeus. >

obama's cia director david petraeus handed over classified documents to his girlfriend, didn't spend a day in jail. biden, like he loves to do, confesses to the crime on camera. he tells pbs he has been hoarding classified documents since the 1970s. >> the best of my knowledge, the kinds of things they picked up are things that that are from 1974. stray papers. there may be something else i don't know. >> jesse: and biden was never president then. he was stealing classified documents out of scifs as a senator. he had classified documents from obama sitting in boxes in chinatown. he had classified documents next to his corvette garage wide open, hunter waltzing in cracked out with chinese spies middle of the night. biden had documents sitting out on the kitchen table while hunter had foreign escorts at the house. biden knew he had documents spread eagle all over the mid-atlantic when he sent agents to raid trump's estate. meanwhile, hunter is out there peddling what looks like his dad's classified documents to business partners in ukraine for cash. the indictment says trump was flashi

yes >> so you're talking about the sandy berger, very famous case general david petraeus, these are individuals who have extremely high profiles and high rank within the national security apparatus, who are politically, valuable that's what you mean? >> absolutely. you know very well that classified information leaks to the press all the time, and for the most part it comes from high-ranking officials who want to push some kind of political agenda or want the public to know something selectively that makes them look good. >> what is the future for your client? as she watches this unroll, she's now out of prison. she has served her time. does she, is she on probation now? >> she is still on supervised release. she is not allowed to leave the district, the southern district of texas. she will be on supervised release for the next few years and she is consistently monitored by the probation department. she is about the most boring person to monitor. she is a coach and she just takes care of animals and is living a delayed but her best life right now. but the pardon process goes on. we are waiting

. >> very important points, indeed, general david petraeus, thanks for joining us, and we'll continuehis conversation down the road. coming up, we'll have much more on the impact of the russian mutiny, including out there on the battlefield in ukraine, much more coming up on that. >>> and also coming up, next, donald trump's response to that audio obtained exclusively by cnn, it's key evidence in the classified documents case, and trump's criminal indictment. stay with us. you're in the situation room. the first time you connected your godaddy website and your store was also the first time you realized... well, we can do anything. cheesecake cookies? the chookie! manage all your sales fromne place with a partner that always puts y first. (we did it) start today at godaddy.com wayfair'got the biggest outdoor selection out there. get grills, garden decor, and patio seating with just a tap on the wayfair app. but you didn't hear it from me. ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need ♪ ♪ (cheery music) - they get it. they know how it works... and more importantly... it works for them. - i don

we think, even though the retired general david petraeus warned that th

one thing we do know, whether hillary clinton's name is invoked, sandy berger's name, david petraeus, remind petraeus and berger they pled guilty and one lost his law license. one had $100,000 fine. if president trump had just turned over all of these documents at the outset, we wouldn't be having this conversation today. >> you know, kimberly, we haven't even scratched the surface of this yet. the former president is running for president and not only that, he is the frontrunner in the republican nomination right now. >> i mean, yeah, this is really that's the most concerning aspect of this in that we now have a democratic president and a democratic attorney general who have brought an indictment against the former republican president who is the leading contender to be joe biden's opponent this fall. this is the kind of thing that we would laugh at if it were coming from another country. and that, in my mind, is the biggest question here is we are now meditating on the contents of this particular indictment. but the question for me is why did we have to get here in the first place?

who might be presidents, but for the fact that they had issues a national security information, david petraeusneral who many thought was presidential up temper and very likely candidate to become president of the united states. he was prosecuted and agreed to plead guilty when he mishandled a diary where he had a lot of national security information and classified information that he had given to a biographer. so there shouldn't be an exception for trump. the president doesn't suddenly get this some quality that places and be on the rule of law. to the contrary, there is not that many more important to hold the rule of law. so his defense that he's being persecuted and they are just out there leaking stuff is weak. we don't know the sourf the story. cnn has is not putting that out. but i doubt that if it's the department of justice, that would be very on like the department in modern times. post-watergate, they have put out very strict rules, and neither the fbi or the department judges are leakers anymore. >> yes, and i was a subject to prosecution if you do in fact a leak. don, i have to ask

the way people are treated when they take documents is people who are way higher up the ladder, david petraeus, you know, war hero general, sandy berger, who was an nsa official, the higher up people are the ones who get probation and a fine. right? the ones who give it back, who are way high up, like the vice president of the united states, former vice president mike pence, who give it back, aren't charged at all. if anything, donald trump is being treated far better than anyone else who has committed this crime. >> joy, great to be with you. and as heidi said, and as your piece said, yeah, there's a long history of prosecutions under the espionage act for leakers, for people who unlawfully retained information and then didn't give it back when asked. and then the classic spies, the people who actually commit espionage. this, the case with president trump, is under section 93, is very different from the other two ones i described. but the indictment sort of lays out a really strong case. and this is what i have said over the past year, that as doj was building the evidence in this case, whate

david petraeus, war hero, narrowly missed being indictmented on the same law, the espionage act. >> gave every who does this gets indicted unless they give the stuff back. >> and trump -- trump was squirreling the stuff -- it took him a year and a half, anybody else, to do this. >> let's talk about the political incidents here, i want to play a couple of republicans score running for president, and this is how they are responding to the trump indictment. hears ron desantis and tim scott. >> i think there needs to be one standard of justice in this country. let's enforce it on everybody, and make sure we all know the rules. we can't have one faction of society weaponizing the power of the state against factions doesn't like. >> what we've seen over the last several years is the weaponization of the department of justice against the former president. you don't have to be a republican to see justice and want to fix it. >> you can't have one faction of society weaponizing the power of the state against factions it doesn't like, from the government who was weaponizing the power of the state o

officer at the cia, responsible for operations in europe and eurasia, marc polymeropoulos, and david petraeus an officer in the u.s. army, he's the author of "the modern mercenary," okay. i want to talk to somebody who was a mercenary, sean, tell me what does it mean to be somebody like yevgeny prigozhin, i'm not comparing you to him, obviously. >> thank you. i mean, first of all, the term in the industry is private military contractor, thank you. but, you know, prigozhin, first of all, he's not a mercenary. he's an oligarch. but the wagner group are mercenaries, so it's sort of led or has been led or was led by a guy called dmitry, a retired colonel in russian special forces and the reason why people joined that world is a mystery, but one of three reasons, one is they need the money and they're ex-soldiers or two, they're ex-soldiers and can't reintegrate into civilian life, three, they're psycho paths, and four, in the case of new guard of wagner, it's this or spend your life in jail. so it's a mysterious calling and a growing calling and a much more dangerous world than most people assume

about take the trump situation, that if he were pleading guilty, he may have been treated like david petraeus other people who just generally are treated better if you plead guilty in our legal sentencing, under the guidelines, there's a provision for that. to underscore your position to chuck, it's important to know who will made the decision here. it's a trump holdover who made the decision and who did the investigation. the tax division has to sign off on this. so that should give people some comfort that this is not a sweetheart deal but this is pretty standard. my own experience is that first-time tax offenses like this are generally treated pretty leniently, as well as the felony count which is a pretrial diversion. for substantial issues that that statute may be unconstitutional. so, i think all in all, this seems like a very fair resolution. >> and, chuck, i want to ask you about something that ken allude to because we're not quite clear what this means. because the special counsel weiss said that there's an ongoing investigation. is that pro forma? or are there other open issues that

when in the past again more precedent, howard, when there was charges brought, sandy berger and david petraeusnted to two years of probation. the point is, as a liz has said, this is historic. this is major. for a political rival to be arrested, you might fall back with on precedent. you might look at our past and say do we do this, and you will come up with an inevitable answer, no, we do not do this because it is historic. howard: right. well, jim comey said no reasonable prosecutor would bring the case against hillary, but it was a judgment call. they just as a easily could have indicted the former secretary of state. i want to play for you, liz -- and all of us -- particularly cnn and msnwc viewers who didn't get to see the speech from the bedminster golf club, what donald trump says he will do if he is elected again to the white house. >> i will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the united states of america, joe biden. [cheers and applause] and the entire biden crime family. howard: so, liz are, isn't that the same kind of pure poli

for mike pence, it was barely serious enough to get more than probation for sandy berger and david petraeussomebody running for president. >> ainsley: bret baier said you were found with x amount of boxes that's nothing what biden was found with he was found with boxes in the garage, penn center and also in chinatown. >> brian: still hasn't given up. >> ainsley: he said i was president. i had the presidential records act in my favor. and he said that i was at liberty to have these classified information, this classified information. whether or not he that's going to be admissible in court because some say he had to go through a bureau says to make these declassified. others say, as president, he could just say that they are declassified. >> brian: one of the biggest issues right now in the world is ourselves forcing his way into a meeting in china. so hours, he got 45 minutes with president xi. so, with the tensions in china. front and center, that's what bret asked. how would you handle the situation we're in right now? and the balloon? >> they wouldn't have ever had a spy balloon if i was

. >> i think about david petraeus. i haven't brought this up to my poor team 476 times.david petraeus came this close to being prosecuted under the exact same statute that donald trump is being prosecuted under. the espionage act. the exact same violation, because he took classified material, tucked into it a notebook and handed it to miswoodward with whom he was having an affair so she could write a book. his motivation was not to harm national security. it was personal. but he still almost was prosecuted. he was able to work out a plea agreement and avoid prosecution. but had he nod been done so, he would have been prosecuted the same way for the same things. >> be clear, he was prosecuted. he avoided jail. at the time, he was under a democratic administration. so this is an example of you can be under a democrat, you can be under a republican, it has nothing to do with politics. >> to be fair, a lot of people think he was treated very leniently. if you hold that out as one end of the spectrum and sort of the fact what you put out there, the most reenient. >> he admitt

if you look at a case like general david petraeus, right, keeping and retaining documents, the justiceartment considered but ultimately did not charge on the espionage act. hard thing, right, hard thing to prove and quite a serious charge. explain that to folks at home. listen, a president being charged with any federal crime is a big deal. espionage act stands out. >> right, it does. the statute is called 973 and what it calls for is simply it doesn't turn on whether the documents are classified, it turns on whether this is national defense information. you know, certainly when this goes to trial one of the things that you will expect that the former president and his legal team -- you heard some of this on our air last night where some of the lawyers were already saying, look, talking about schedules, about very unimportant things and what the justice department's job here and what the prosecutors are going to have to do in front of this jury is to show that the former president, right, was being cavalier with something, for example, something related to iran, one of the most serious

david petraeus had classified information he gave to his biographer.here are a lot of officials who have had challenges with classified documents. the question is why his trump in charge here and not others. the answer is he was asked for the documents, said he returned them, it appears that the facts were proven that he made an effort to avoid turning them over. host: our next caller is diana, florida. republican mine. caller: i believe this is a continuation of the constant witchhunt they are doing to president trump. more than half of america loves president trump. we would vote for him again. this is this of documents here and there, biden wasn't even supposed to have any documents. he was vice president, not president. trump was just -- >> it's always

we remember -- at least i do -- general david petraeus.iminal conviction for mishandling documents. it's a misdemeanor, but it's a criminal conviction, which is a mark on his record. the different between him and mr. trump is he owned up to it and he pled guilty. obviously, mr. trump should not plead guilty if he is not guilty. i'm just highlighting the difference. it's not unheard of that this is a charge that would happen. mr. trump is not being singled out. i think the department of justice needs to say that publically. >> catherine, thank you very much. >>> joining us, eddie glaude, an msnbc political analyst. >> how big of a test is this right now for the country? >> it's huge. are we a nation of laws? does the rule of law obtain? i think it's inflection point. we are at a moment culturally, a moment politically where the country is deeply divided. 70 million folks voted for donald trump. do they have trust in our legal system? do they have faith that he will be treated fairly? we are at this inflection point. where will we end up as

i mean, you've got many examples of senior people from david petraeus, sandaly berger, they all admittedhey got a lighter sentence because of that. these are very hard cases to defend. and i think it is very hard to sort of figure out what is a plausible defense here. >> and andrew, is there another aspect here? not just the judge in this case and this is controversial among lawyers, at least. but the fact that in florida, you do not have judges with as much experience in handling classified documents and you have a political calendar clock that is running against the prosecution for sure in favor of donald trump as you get closer and closer to real voting. january is the first caucus and the primaries for the republicans. what do they do with that? all these documents have to be so carefully vetted and crucial decisions have to be made by multiple agencies in the intelligence community. and just getting them into evidence will be hard. >> so that is just such a great question. i was thinking about if i was still at the department. the conversation before hand about where to bring the ca

to in terms of other people, even other high profile people, like for example, former general david petraeus, who have been dinged for criminal conduct like that, and essentially gotten a slap on the wrist and gone on with their careers. that said, other people have had to do prison time for these things. it feels like both unbelievably serious in terms of what this means for us as the american people and a new benchmark low for our politics and what we expect of our political leaders. it also seems like it might not be the at least not at this point. >> you know, the one time that we came close to an historic moment like this, obviously, was richard nixon, who we all have interviewed former prosecutors on that case were very clear that he would have been indicted but for the intervention of the succeeding president who pardon him. and then, of course, there was spiro agnew who was indicted also. but this feels like it was on a level of its own, because this also involves national security than aided states. the casual treatment of our national security by a president who, for whatever reaso

and an exclusive bbc interview with former commander-in-chief of the us armed forces general david petraeusth president zelensky, he says that the upcoming counter-offensive of ukraine. perhaps very impressive, petreoz commanded troops in iraq and afghanistan, where he gained fame in an interview. he spoke about the spring offensive and how impressive it could be. i think this is the first time we during this war we will see how both sides really achieve a common claim effect in other words, we will see the result of the delivered tanks, protected by infantry from anti-tank guided missiles, also the successes of artillery and mortars that hold the enemy back and break through the fortifications that the russians set up anti-aircraft defenses hold russian missiles , electronic warfare helps to jam the russians, all this is organized very, very well by the ukrainian command , the use of drones is also successful in order to keep an eye on the russians to attack them with precision munitions that the us uk and others have provided to ukraine . i think the ukrainians are going to break through

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what about david petraeus?t about sandy berger, president clinton's former lawyer who tried to sneak document out of his own drawer. what about secretary of state hillary clinton? why were any of them prosecuted? these were important questions at -- and at the end of the day, there's prosecutorial discretion about the charges you bring and don't bring and in this case, why wasn't prosecutorial discretion used to bring these charges at the time where the executive branch running again. these are questions that will be raised almost certainly at the trial. there is an argument that a sitting president cannot be charged with a crime or cannot be prosecuted, the only remedy for that is impeachment. that was argued in a department of justice memo. former president trump is related -- reelected and he may point to that. and he might argue that bringing charges are unprecedented. there's something inappropriate about that and the case should be state off. --staved off, that is another argument he can make. i will say

and part of the reason that former officials like david petraeus, when he stepped down from the cia,as a misdemeanor plea deal with no jail time. it was because the government did not want to have to run the risk of exposing its classified secrets at trial. that sort of a deal will be available to donald trump or at least his lawyer can go in and argue for it. maybe his obstruction means that the deal that's good, is not available to him, but now to have to be thinking in the back of his mind how far does trump's loyalty to me go. when might he try to save his own soul and leave me hanging. that is something his lawyer should be discussing with him. that's what's in his self-interest here. >> would trump do that, willie? >> at the end of sixth sense. >> every day. >> let's get the view from inside the courthouse, join us from miami, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, inside the courthouse during yesterday's arraignment. ken, good morning. give us a little color, if you can, what was it like inside that courtroom? >> good morning, willie. i was actually in t