stay with us. >> charlie: david plouffe is here. he was the campaign manager for president obama's 2008 presidential campaign from 2011 to 2013 he served as senior advisor to the president. former white house chief of staff bill bailey said the president probably took david's opinion with more certitude than anybody else. if david said x, i can the president would more often believe x than challenge it i am pleased to have david plouffe at this table for the first time. welcome. >> great to be here, charlie. >> charlie: i'm interestin inten what you do. we can talk about many things. i intended to talk about foreign policy, but in this limited time, what interests me is america, you know, and you've done something remarkable, been part of two great experiences, winning presidential campaigns and going to the public at different times. on the one hand, you had the magic of a narrative that was overwhelming -- first african-american man who brought great pride to people because of who he was and his background. a second time, it was a

joined by david plouffe, senior adviser in the white house. republican strategist ana navarro.ur own cokie roberts. and bill kristol, the editor of "the weekly standard." some of the headlines, the bear goes out for a beer and the critics growl. why didn't the president go the the border? >> i worked in the white house and so have you. he doesn't need to go to the border to address this. we have had this crisis for decades. >> but why not go? >> yeah. >> he's had plenty of officials there. it's beside the point. we need to fix the immigration system most broadly. that is the biggest message out of all of this. it's been languishing for decades. you have republican sport. support. you have democratic support. get it done. the issue of the kids, we need more resources. you talked to chairman goodlatte. we need more judges down there. more facilities down there. we have to deal with the short-term crisis. we have to have a long-term immigration solution. >> if the president had gone to the border. it obviously doesn't make a big difference. but it's symbolically important. it's im

david plouffe? >> cleveland browns defeated the new york giants. >> you're half right. browns. silent protest from ana navarro? miami heat. >> no clue. but when was the last. convention in cleveland? 1936. the keynoter called fdr a new deal caesar. >> and bill kristol. >> the cleveland browns. i guessed the lions. the colts. >> you're right. they beat them 27-0. we'll be back in a minute to talk about lebron james, cleveland's big week, and the world cup. we're joined by es'sike tirico. the world cup. we're joined by espn's mike tirico. so i want you to know the facts. there are currently no credit score or income requirements to qualify. you can get tax-free money from the equity in your home. you can use the money to pay off your current mortgage if you have one. the remaining money can be used for anything. there's no monthly mortgage payments. and you still own your home! call today to get your free guide and dvd. it explains how a government-insured reverse mortgage works. there's no obligation. one reverse mortgage is a quicken loans company. their licensed experts can an

>> i think david plouffe is absolutely right.f you do it that early, you risk burning your candidate out. i think cleveland is a great choice. they haven't had a political convention in ohio in like 50 years. republicans have to win ohio to win the white house. i think june and july is a huge error. >> we're going to cleveland. politico's mike allen, thank you. >>> coming up, more on the stunner in brazil. the host nation shocked in the semifinals of the world cup. how brazil fell to germany in record setting fashion. "morning joe" sports is next. ♪ in the nation, the safest feature in your car is you. add vanishing deductible from nationwide insurance and get $100 off for every year of safe driving. which for you, shouldn't be a problem. just another way we put members first, because we don't have shareholders. join the nation. nationwide is on your side. when laquinta.com sends him a ready for you alert the second his room is ready, ya know what salesman alan ames becomes? i think the numbers speak for themselves. i'm sold! a "

rahm emanuel, david axelrod, david plouffe, lewouis farrakha. jesse jackson sr.you don't have the normal ability to talk about where gun control could play a part because chicago has some of the most stringent gun control laws there. and it's happening in the inner city, in the black community, in the black neighborhoods, and i don't think it's very important to the liberal progressives of the democratic party to solve this problem in the inner city, that it's not just isolated to chicago. it's also detroit, philadelphia, my hometown in atlanta. it's all these inner cities where these policies are failing. so if this was something that was happening in a combat zone over a weekend, you would have it plastered all over the front pages of papers. but now, of course, it doesn't fit into that agenda, you're not hearing anything about it. what is also interesting, you hear about these illegal immigrants that are escaping the violence and the deplorable situations in central america. you have a lot of that happening right here in our own america, and there's no concern

. ♪ >> david plouffe is here.e was the campaign manager for president obama's 2008 presidential campaign. from 2011 to 2013, he served as senior advisor to the president. former white house chief of staff bill daley has said the president probably took david's opinion with more certitude than anyone else. if david said "x" i think the president would more often believe "x" than challenge it. i am pleased to have them here here for the first time. it is great to have the year because i am interested in what you do. we can talk about many things. i intend to talk about foreign policy, but in this limited time, what interests me is america. you have done something remarkable and part of two great experiences -- winning presidential campaigns. going to the public at different times. on the one hand, you had the magic of a narrative that was overwhelming. the first african-american, a man who brought great pride. the second time, it was a different kind of campaign. >> more of a grind. >> in the end, you're going to th

but as david plouffe, obama's old campaign manager pointed out, if you have a convention in late june, you run the risk of going against the nba finals. that's a problem in any situation because you try to get a national audience. imagine if the cleveland cavaliers being led by lebron james are in the nba finals. you could picture christie or rand paul, rob portman having to compete for cleveland's attention with lebron james, it would be an absolute disaster. >> maybe john boehner can sue lebron james. i am kidding. it is a story about cleveland, too. that's one of the reasons earnest was weighing in in the emotional way he was. this is the hope when he left, he would stay in ohio, give cleveland a fighting chance. do you think optimism that he is returning home will help the city, is that well placed optimism? >> look at the reaction, cars lining up for miles outside his home. this is one of the great storylines in sports. if he were to lead the cavs to the finals, it would be like the ending of a hollywood movie, cleveland would be going bonkers, but not going bonkers for republica

rahm emanuel, david axelrod, david plouffe, lewouis farrakha. jesse jackson sr.on't have the normal ability to talk about where gun control could play a part because chicago has some of the most stringent gun control laws there. and it's happening in the inner city, in the black community, in the black neighborhoods, and i don't think it's very important to the liberal progressives of the democratic party to solve this problem in the inner city, that it's not just isolated to chicago. it's also detroit, philadelphia, my hometown in atlanta. it's all these inner cities where these policies are failing. so if this was something that was happening in a combat zone over a weekend, you would have it plastered all over the front pages of papers. but now, of course, it doesn't fit into that agenda, you're not hearing anything about it. what is also interesting, you hear about these illegal immigrants that are escaping the violence and the deplorable situations in central america. you have a lot of that happening right here in our own america, and there's no concern. >>

rahm emanuel, david axelrod, david plouffe, lewouis farrakha. jesse jackson sr.ou don't have the normal ability to talk about where gun control could play a part because chicago has some of the most stringent gun control laws there. and it's happening in the inner city, in the black community, in the black neighborhoods, and i don't think it's very important to the liberal progressives of the democratic party to solve this problem in the inner city, that it's not just isolated to chicago. it's also detroit, philadelphia, my hometown in atlanta. it's all these inner cities where these policies are failing. so if this was something that was happening in a combat zone over a weekend, you would have it plastered all over the front pages of papers. but now, of course, it doesn't fit into that agenda, you're not hearing anything about it. what is also interesting, you hear about these illegal immigrants that are escaping the violence and the deplorable situations in central america. you have a lot of that happening right here in our own america, and there's no concern.