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still with us for this important segment are david plouffe and tim miller.ons, democrats' attentions were toward republicans trying to monkey with the casting of votes, but the efforts to monkey with the counting of the votes, that is what can turn elections on their ear. >> no doubt about that, brian, i do, just before, i was a little hurt i didn't get asked about josh hawley's masculinity initiatives, i look at that brownser on the former president's face and think about his calloused hands and that limp fist, and anyway, you sometimes just got to put it in my wheel house, just like did plouffe get that one. anyway, i can answer this one as well. electoral count act. the democrats, as they move past, you know, look, there's a lot on their plates and republicans are standing in the way of everything. i have nothing but sympathy. i think the democrats can use that and run against republicans, but in addition to bbb, in addition to the pandemic, they have to move to electoral count act next year, and burton gelman's atlantic article should be another wake up

and david plouffe, seniors visor to president obama. i thought that we would start with each of you going around about how you see this. in terms of how central this question is to american politics in american democracy survival right now. and how you expect or view mainstream institutions responding to the growing threat which i think all three or four of us agree is quite apparent. let me start with you mehdi hasan. >> chris, i'm glad you started the way that you did. it is the biggest issue facing us. it is the biggest issue that in this past year. it will definitely be the biggest issue in 2022 with the midterms coming up. i know that we journalists always say that the midterms are the big deal and they are important. but this 2022 midterm elections are. because i'm of the view that if the republicans take the house as the polls suggest that they will, they will not certified democratic victory in 2024 in current trends. that is what we are headed towards in a massive constitution and democratic crisis. the ap's citing is so import

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with us, david plouffe and mike murphy.o watch turning point usa, this event that's been on. but it had a weird tinge to it this week, there's a lot of guns stuff. and a lot of guns, as the last stand against the government, in protecting your liberty. and then there's this weird rock star kind of thing for kyle. feels like they might have lost the plot on this one. >> look, american politics is a big thing, we're into dangerous territory these days. there's plenty of room for this kind of freak show, i guess i'll call them internet celebrities in the political world. they can have conventions. it's kind of like the white ring version of the start trek convention. it's not where the center of the debate is, i would say it's a symptom of the stupid implication, on the far-right. that they're starting this hero worship of figures like that. >> david, when might put it's that way, i'm a little more relaxed about the whole, thing i do worry though. when i was listening to. i was hearing a lot about guns. in sebastian gorka talk

joining me now is david plouffe, campaign manager and senior adviser.r of change heather mcghee. she is also the author of the sum of us. heather mcghee, when i saw the huffington post reported, your whole book is about this racialized suspicion that someone somewhere is going to get away with something or get some of them and if it. it ends up costing us the dream full of politics. and in this case it just seems so apparent. the think that joe manchin is worried about. and this is not public. privately telling other lawmakers that someone somewhere is going to buy drugs or fake sickness so no one can have them. >> that's right. even though we know that their benefits to everyone. there are benefits that are still over consequence. beyond the affected families. as you said, 92% of the families in west virginia, a vast majority of them, wide and this is a benefit particularly for the child tax credit that goes way off the incomes scale. this is a recognition that is extensive to raise a child. and in every one of our peer industrialized nations do much m

still with us, david plouffe and matthew dowd.st temporarily on the back burner, that means today the final expanded child tax credits have gone out. given how much more expensive things are across the country, gas, groceries, essential goods. and about 60 million kids' families have been receiving checks, that money goes away in january. do they need to do something else, carve it out of build back better, to ensure that families still get that money? >> i think so. yes. the risk would be it jeopardizes the entire package. but i think so. build back better has to pass. if it doesn't, maybe it will take to january or february. and i think a lot of people will be rightly unhappy if it doesn't. but most importantly, it's important for the country. but voting rights is essential. we can build bridges, provide child care and elder care. but if it's in an autocracy, what would it matter? the most important thing is to erect safeguards so that republican state legislators in 2024 can't decide, no matter what happens in their voting in t

with us to discuss, david plouffe and matthew dowd. david, with build back better at least temporarily on the backburner, that means today, the final expanded child tax credits have gone out. given how much more expensive things are across the country. gas, groceries, essential goods. about 60 million kids across the country, their families have been receiving 430 bucks a month on average. that money goes away in january, without the expanded child tax credit. do they need to do something else? carve it out of build back better. to ensure that those family still get that money? >> stephanie, i think so. yes. the risk would be jeopardizing the entire package. build back better has to pass. honestly, if it doesn't, maybe it is going to take into january, or february. i think a lot of the people who helped elect democrats in the senate presidency are rightfully going to be very unhappy. good luck with great turnout. most importantly, it is important for the country. but voting rights is essential. we can build bridges and we can provide ch

. >>> david plus, and mike murphy, plouffe, at the university of southern california, and cohost of the hacks on tap podcast. what does it tell you about the direction they are heading in, do you see a criminal referral coming maybe even against trump? >> again, i am not a lawyer think god, but i think a criminal referral is more likely than not, because the evidence is piling up, to their credit, the committee has been quite aggressive, they should follow the money and they should try to get that narrow band of phone calls. whether or not it has a huge earthquake effect on the election because we are so tribal and dug in, i wish i was more hopeful about, but to get justice, if there is criminal things that deserve referring, my gut guesses there are, on the pattern of behavior we've seen from some of these characters on the lunatic fringe of my own beloved republican party, i hope they do it and i hope we learn everything, and i would be surprised if trump is more connected to it that has been proven so far. >> a nervous question that people are asking, learning in a taimi -- timely ma

still with us, david plouffe, mike murphy. , among the states where voting rights face some of the most significant challenges in 2021 have been the places critical to elections, georgia, texas. is there anywhere that you think this has a better chance of passage? >> i think it has a better chance than 90 days ago because manchin, sinema and a few other representatives want to protect democracy. chris, i think it's important. yes, part of that will be to make sure we remove these restrictions making it harder to vote, largely targeting minorities. but also to secure our democracy. because the most insidious thing is the republican drive here to allow their own state legislators to decide who won elections, no matter what the voters say. that's the structure that i think manchin or sinema, some of the other senators, said, i do not want to do this. but they have forced me to do this to protect our democracy. i still think it's a long, challenging climb, but it's the most important thing in front of us right now. even with covid,

america, as well as what it means for what chuck schumer just said last night, we are joined by david plouffeviser to president obama, who was in the white house during some of those key times. thanks for being here. >> of course, ari. good to be here. >> your thoughts? >> well, i think it's evident by the clip you showed, and the letter that barack obama released last night, barack obama loved harry. as did i. he was an amazing guy to be in the foxhole with. he knew where his votes were and were they weren't. he was passionate, a fighter. and i spent a lot of time on air force one during the re-election, and he probably cared more about it than barack obama did. and he was savvy, tough, he knew how to find compromise, when not to. you could trust him. his word was bond. but in a way, mcconnell is the same way. he very rarely gets over his skis. he knows when he can deliver, when he can't. and that's what made harry reid an effective leader. he had an amazing passion for the underdog, for people who needed a little assistance to build a better life. >> yeah. and he saw himself certainly as a

also with us, david plouffe.ersity of virginia, center for politics. david plouffe, i want to start with you. can this marriage be saved between the democratic party and joe manchin or not? >> well, could to see you, dr. heilemann. the truth is, the truth is if you think about the total dollar about of the build back better, there's a deal to be had. it's just a question of whether manchin's willing to go back to the drawing. i think he will because he can say i forced everybody to spend less money and make things more permanent, which from a policy standpoint, has some benefit. you're starting to see jayapal and other democrats open the door. so i think so. and you know, the alternative, which is nothing gets done to help millions of americans, we don't do anything to protect our democracy and you know, i don't think manchin's going to switch parties, but at the end of the day, i think democrats have to first of all substantively to make sure you're doing all you can to help working families while you have contr

. >> and then finally, i'm curious, we were speaking with david plouffe yesterday from obama's team.s very concerned that if the democrats lose the house, then you really will be on a track, collision course for democracy itself because he thinks the republican party has basically embraced stealing elections and voter suppression as its organizing principle. your thoughts on that and the stakes for a midterms that are around the corner really, less than a year away, with people fatigued for all the reasons mentioned. >> yeah. we have an election coming up. the reapportionment doesn't look as if it's as bad as we thought it would be, which is kind of a miracle. but yes, we have one political party that has embraced voter suppression as one of their main planks. and so at the end of the day, at the very end of the day, it's about the american people deciding, you know, this isn't a parliamentary system, but we now have one party that has veered so far to the right in so many ways, we have to have the people who were republicans before really just drop that label and either become democ

to help me answer that, still with me, mehdi hasson, mona cheren, david plouffe.eally don't like -- there's a lot of invocations of the civil war, on the right particularly for a long time, the next civil war, when do we get to use the guns, fantasizing about it that i find really gruesome and nuts. you've got marjorie teller green. a ridiculous figure, but a u.s. congressperson who i think is in some ways the vanguard of what more republican congresspeople will be like saying -- basically saying someone's complaining about the fact that you can't, as of now, discriminate against transplants from california and new york who move to texas and florida. this is a problem, and so her solution is that it would be possible in a national divorce scenario after democratic voters move to a state like california, it would be wise to stop them from going to another great state like florida, brainwashed people that move from california to new york need a cooling-off period. there's a part of me, she's marjorie taylor greene, she's a troll. another part of me, what on earth? a

also with us, former obama campaign manager and msnbc political analyst, david plouffe.athan is the host of way too early. also an msnbc political analyst. and garrett hague is live for us on capitol hill as the debate gets underway, which i understand is running a little bit late. garrett, let me start with you here. give us the latest on how this is playing out and are we expected to see any republicans by any chance to vote yes on this resolution? >> i just had senior democratic lawmakers and committee had passed me on to the house floor. this debate is finally going to get started. a little bit delayed here on the house side. i expect we might continue to see some new evidence. perhaps more text messages from mark meadows or other communications he had handed over to the economy. they have been very deliberate in how they roll out the new pieces of evidence that are available to them and they've done it at these inflection points as they've tried to push elements of their investigation forward. as for other republicans, there were seven additional republicans not inc

joining our conversation, former obama campaign manager and msnbc analyst david plet plouffe.s still here. >> this has to do with donald trump not liking anybody to say anything bad about donald trump. it also happens to probably not be great for jd vance for the republicans in quoio to be reminded at his core he was repelled, revolted by donald trump when he first saw him and that anything he says now is a lie. usually doesn't help but maybe it does now in this gop. what do you make of trump's involvement as it pertains just to him? >> nicolle, nobody watches more political ads in the history of the country than donald trump. it's amazing to me. he's so easy to trigger and to reach. yeah, i -- first of all, i think a big part of '22 will be -- my hope is the political environment is the democrat improves, i think it might. we have a long 11 months between now and then. but if the wrong people come up off the these primaries, the rumpiest people -- we this a year ago republicans should have easily taken over the senate. but they had people who couldn't win elections. what is a