david is. >> dave was. axal rod made room for pluff to come in. >> rose: they needed him. it wasn't because they were unhappy with david axal rod. >> they learned he could do more and learn more in chicago. but chicago is being run by essentially the sort of side kick jim mesina. >> rose: of in. >> david pluff. you didn't know who was calling the shots. you had david pluff in the whitehouse, jim mesina claiming to talk for the president and a lot of distrust about him. not just with axelrod. we're all the senior people in the campaign. they essentially went their own way. >> rose: despite all that they ran a good campaign. >> they ran a phenomenal campaign. that makes it all ... it's like not having a point guard and still the basketball team wins. you got to ask yourself the full story. >> rose: this is not you looking for a good story and you find the fact that like so many campaigns they had a lot of people at each other's throat but in the end the big story is how good they were. >> despite it all. look i covered the 08 election from start to finish. you didn't have thi