>> rose: welcome to the program, tonight we look at the new iphone 5 with david pogue, technology columnist for "the new york times" and john griewb whore writes the blog daring fireball. >> it looks kind of like an old iphone that has been run over with a steam roller, taller, thinner, flatter and lighter, so it is getting there, and yet what glows me, blows me away i have been writing for "the new york times" for 12 years and i know that this is going to look primitive, i mean, this is the cro-magnon iphone, we are like oh it is so thin, no, you can't roll it up yet so the funny thing is when you extrapolate from where we are now to five years from now they will be really amazing not just iphones but all of the units. >> rose: we continue this evening with jeffrey, the book of the oath, the obama white house and the supreme court. >> 17 chief justice, 44th president, two people who in some respects have a lot in common, born within six years of each other, both came of age in the think area, both products of harvard law school and the hear extraordinary la law review but both of them, and

cnet says you're going to be shocked at how light this phone is and "the new york times" david poguethe camera is among the best ever put into a phone. these are all fine and good. they're nice reviews. they're fabulous reviews. >> "usa today," my favorite paper because it speaks in english says there should be lust for the phone. i never -- >> i don't know what that looks like. >> i never sought lust from it. it's still in the end, a device, but this is not a 4s, but maybe the 5. if i being get some lust going. >> hope it never comes to that, i i'm hoping. >> inanimate objects and lust. >> i can still touch that phone, right? >> yes. >> this is not like work a holiks where they do things with computers that is just disgraceful. i do think the idea of breaking your contract which is mentioned in the new york times to get the new one, even the idea of breaking a two-year contract to get this is on the table. i like this, but siri woke me up this morning, again, talking about lust and siri can book me a reservation and tell me last night whether the phillies won, rained out, i know, it