david quinn, who can was a leading commander of the separate this otherwise on the efficiency he participated in organizing and managing groups, their territory with that ends in explosives. another leader faces up to 14 years in prison. in the case of financing terrorism, the fall of a foreign minister has also turned himself in. azerbaijan and security says civilians have nothing to fear and we go after those armenians could accused of what it calls for crimes. we are inviting everyone to state the even the people living i think because all of all of the conditions will different. why that for them to stay on the, on their cities. but that invitation is difficult to accept for those who live 2 or 3 decades of hateful rhetoric fighting look good in violence in just a few days. more than 2 thirds of the ethnic, i mean community has already left the 10s of thousands have recently arrived in armenia, many of them women, children, and elder duty, they are tired quotes hungry, some of them they just rented a while to the 2 cars or on the way to our me, some people who have chosen to stay are seek

so here to tell us a bit more, i'm joined by the sunday independent columnist david quinn. ? what are some of misgivings about are some of the misgivings about this new hate speech legislation ? >> well, the first thing, andrew, it doesn't define hatred . and it basically says more or less hatred is hatred . um, so less hatred is hatred. um, so there's no clear definition . so there's no clear definition. so it's completely up to a court to decide eventually what hatred is . so it's extremely nebulous, extremely ambiguous. so that's a huge problem that's been raised even by groups who broadly favour this law. um because they simply don't know how it's going to be interpreted. and the minister is saying that, um misgender ring won't fall under this law because there wouldn't be intention cause hatred. be an intention to cause hatred. actually, under the bill you don't have to intend to cause hatred. you can be considered to be reckless. that is, you didn't properly consider what the effect your speech might be. effect of your speech might be. so can't be certain that so she c

so here to tell us a bit more, i'm joined by the sunday independent columnist david quinn. some of misgivings about are some of the misgivings about this new hate speech legislation ? >> well, the first thing, andrew, it doesn't define hatred . and it basically says more or less hatred is hatred . um, so less hatred is hatred. um, so there's no clear definition . so there's no clear definition. so it's completely up to a court to decide eventually what hatred is . so it's extremely nebulous, extremely ambiguous. so that's a huge problem that's been raised even by groups who broadly favour this law. um because they simply don't know how it's going to be interpreted. and the minister is saying that, um misgender ring won't fall under this law because there wouldn't be intention cause hatred. be an intention to cause hatred. actually, under the bill you don't have to intend to cause hatred. you can be considered to be reckless. that is, you didn't properly consider what the effect your speech might be. effect of your speech might be. so can't be certain that so she can't be ce