was about to write his book with luther as i was struggling with my work on thought reform and david reesman was an extraordinary intellectual of unlimited facets and extraordinarily kind and impathic man. he taught me to be an intellectual. i came to realize, yes, i was doing studies in hong kong and in japan, but i did that as an american -- as an american intellectual. and else taught me which is evident now the backlash of a very conservative society that we live in, the absence of a traditional culture has made us more vulnerable perhaps to threats to the culture to changes in people's reactions to the changes as a form of backlash. those were some of the things and then there's, you know -- there's an inchoate relationship relationship between mentor and follower of a particular time or at least a period in which things happen in which one sees one's self as gaining and capacity to have ideas of one's own that might matter. >> what are -- what were the moments when you felt those struggles most vividly? where did they lead you? >> i felt my -- i think all of us have our greatest strugg