and david reesman was an extraordinary intellectual of unlimited facets and extraordinarily kind and impa impactic man and he taught me to be an intellectual. and i came to realize, yes, i was doing studies in hong kong and japan. but i did that as an american intellectual. and he also taught me something that is all too evident now. the backlash potential of a very conservative society that we live in. the absence of a traditional culture has made us more vulnerable perhaps to threats to the according to changes in people's reactions to the changes as a form of backlash. those were some of those things. and there's an inchoate quality of relationship between mentor and follower of a particular time or at least for a period of time in which things happen in which one sees oneself as gaining the capacity and right to have one's own that might matter. >> what were the moments when you felt those struggles most vividly and where did they lead you? >> i felt my -- you know, i think all of our have our greatest struggles with that first book and i knew i had done exciting work and intervi