doesn't usually have op-ed type pieces in which a reluctant talk was made by a man i respect, david remn inkck, i didn't want to become the new yorker's art spiegelman which made me restless to a degree. maybe there was something of i've done this i don't want to keep doing it. part of it was at that moment i really needed to make pages about being stuck in september 11th, 2001. >> i want to talk a little bit more about process when we come back. >> okay. your global news leader >> welcome back i'm john siegenthaler. my guest today is comic artist art spiegelman. let me ask you about the process. how do you start creating let's say a cover, or some sort of work that you know, do you start with a drawing? >> well, often it's from a concept rather than a drawing. but what i mean by that is, it related to something i said earlier about how comics seem to me the most serious endeavor that one could be involved in rather than something trivial, comics are a deal with images. that means, they deal with images we have inside our world, in order to explain the world. the baby have a simple smiley face