tonight -- jerry seinfeld editor of "the new yorker" david remnick live new yorker cartoons featuring 8g band with jon theodore. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] and now, here he is, seth meyers! >> seth: good evening, everybody. i'm seth meyers. this is "late night." how's everybody doing tonight? [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: good to hear. good to hear. every day passes, there's a new presidential hopeful. there's so many presidential -- so many people out there hoping to be president. so sad. that just one is gonna get to do it. [ laughter ] presidential hopeful lindsey graham who is single said today if elected he will have a rotating first lady. rotating first lady. even creepier, he said it on tinder. [ laughter ] not the best place to say something like that. donald trump said over the weekend that his decision whether or not to run for president is gonna make a lot of people very happy. and that's too bad, 'cause i was really hoping he would run. [ laughter ] kim kardashian reportedly spent $110,000 to rent out the staples center and hired actual nba referees and laker girls for k

we begin this evening with david remnick, the editor of the "new yorker" magazine. >> i've always thought obama hides in plain sight. i've always thought he says who he says he is. i think he's the opposite of nixon or the ultimate duplicitous president. it always paid off when thinking about him, to take him pretty much at his word, maybe a sophisticated view of it when it came to the politics of marriage equality, but it never occurred to me to think otherwise that he was a left to center democrat. that's what he was from the beginning of his career, that he wasn't any great radical. >> rose: we continue the celebration of july 4 with a look back of some of the most memorable moments on this program. historians discussing our nation's founding fathers. >> it was a great moment of improvisation. they discovered the two principles that over the course of the last two centuries have proven to be the recipes for success for all nations. a political system bottoms on the principle of popular sovereignty, democracy. an economic system is under the conviction that energies of individuals citiz

charlie: david remnick has written about him. president had said to him once at the end of the day we are part of a long-running story print we just try to get our paragraph right. one of the things i'd like to appreciate as president is you are essentially a relay swimmer in a river of rapids and the river is history. you did have a sense being buffeted by history he had come to believe that you could simply make your small part. it looks like now he has a feeling he has made a large part. buttressing what you said al. ed? ed: you hit singles and twos. the contrast between obama a year ago when he was almost depressive in his public profile. every other day there were new segments about how often he was playing golf. the contrast between him then and the beginning of his term when he have this grandiose visions of what he could achieve was really the story of somebody who had gone from being ambitious to somebody who was talking of hitting ones and twos. singles and twos. now we are back to something in between. a president who

tonight -- jerry seinfeld editor of "the new yorker" david remnick live new yorker cartoons featuring

this is required reading, says toni morrison, and david remnick and so many others have said this is an important, important book and we ought to read it, in part for what he says in part for what he observes in part for what he says it all. ta-nehisi coates. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. >> rose: back in a moment. stay with us. >> rose: peter kiernan is here, entrepreneur philanthropist and advisor t businesses and government. he previously spent two decades at goldman sachs where he was senior partner. his book, "american mojo," considers the growing threat to the future of the middle class in america. i am pleased to have peter kiernan at this table. welcome. >> so happy to be here. >> rose: this grew out of a conversation you had with a young businessman in china? >> it did. i was walking in shanghai and finished a book on something i did in china. we became good friends and he said i studied america thoroughly and i think i get you, but there is one thing that baffles me. we are trying so hard to create a middle class, it's so difficult to do and you have one of the g

toni morrison says this is required reading and so have a lot of other people, my friend david remnick and so many others have said this is an important book, and we ought to read it, in part for what he says in part for what he observes, in part for the way he says it all. ta-nehisi coates. great to have you. >> thanks for having me. >> rose: back in a moment. stay with us. >> rose: saturday night mexico's most notorious drug lord el chapo guzman escaped from a maximum prison. president enrique peÑa nieto called the escape an affront to the mexican state and vowed to capture him. patrick radden keefe has written extensively phat that guzman and -- on guzman. don winslow is author of several books on mexican drug wars. the most recent is called "the cartel." pleasure to have both of them here. was this inevitable he would get out of prison? >> yeah, i think so. let's back up and take a look at who this man is, he is a billionaire businessman. he's ruthless. he's intelligent, organized and he can't run his business as well from prison. so job number one for him is to get out. again, thi