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david remnick, author and editor of "the new yorker" wrote the book, "ali: king of the world."lls the story of how cassius clay transformed himself into muhammad ali. why write a book about ali? >> muhammad ali for me was as important as the beatles or bob dylan. he was a culture hero. he wasn't just boxing or his athletic prowess. he had importance. he meant something to the culture. he had meaning. he changed america. >> how was he that different compared to everyone who came before him? >> ali is a figure of the thick of the television age. he invents a character for himself. 22 professional fights and i'm pretty as a girl! >> he not only was the greatest boxer of all time, because he married speed and power in a way that no athlete ever did. in his time, to be the heavyweight champion was the most glamourous, the highest athletic office there was. and he gave it all up. >> it's hard for us to understand now the depth of enmity that was aimed at muhammad ali when he said, i am not going to -- i'm not going to join the army. >> i ain't got no quarrel with those vietcong. >> i

we begin with david remnick, robert lipstyle, bob costa and ellis coast. >> you could not-- three and a half years was enough but for all he knew, it was forever. and for all he knew the supreme court would not side with himnd he might go to prison and his passport might not be returned. he didn't know. he might have been risking it all. as it was, it unit ited out he gave up a whole lot and in a sport spends the rit krilt civil was he is a pretty boy, all flash and dash and that is why george frassier helped to elevate him and george foreman but to a lesser extent. >> we continue with the reverend jesse jackson. >> i remember him going to cubament and the american press saying where are you going to cuba. >> don't choose my friends ali was much that way. he chose his own friends and destiny. >> we conclude this evening with what guests on this program over the year. have said about muhammad ali. >> he once said to me you know with the worries i have got, if i had been a white man or businessman, i would be dead. and to be a hero, a protagonist means you live with worry all the time.

david remnick wrote a book called king of the world.ali. >> muhammad ali for me, he was a culture hero. he was not just boxing, he had importance. he meant something to the culture. he had meaning. he changed america. >> how is he that different compared to everyone who came before him? >> ali is a figure of the thick of the television age. he invents a character for himself. >> i am pretty as the girls. >> he not only was the greatest boxer, i think of all-time, because he married speed and power in a way no athlete ever did, in his time to be the heavyweight champion, it was the highest office there was and he gave it all up. >> it's hard to understand the depth of empwhat they felt when refused to go to the vietnam war. >> he refused to get on an airplane and go 10,000 miles away to fight in a war on whatever level he knew to be wrong. he became a symbol for young people, and an international figure of black pride. >> what did it cost him to say, i'm not going to fight in the vietnam war? >> for one thing, it costs him an enormous am

been re-reading one of the better books about the life and times of muhammad ali by a man named david remnick. >> king of the world, not just one of the best sports books ever written, just one of the best books ever written. i was looking at it again last night and there's a story about when ali is 4 years old. he asked his father -- this is 1946. he said, daddy, the grocery store man's white. he said i go to the drug store, the drug store man's white. the bus driver is white. and he said, what do colored people do? and you know what they do, they go and live an american life that produces a day like this. i've been thinking about this since he passed. there's this notion that we need to make america great again, it's been in all -- >> i haven't heard that, but go ahead. >> but we produced this man, and this man produced this day, and when you see this day, you think, we're doing okay. >> yeah, dave zirin was part of our coverage the night muhammad ali died. and even that night, we were saying, he was without parallel in american life. nothing has been covered or said since to make us not be

boxing is how he said, that's how i was introduced to the world. >> that's how he advanced. >> david remnickhaps we'll see you in louisville at the end of the week, i hope. >> thank you very much. >> thank you for your time, we appreciate it. david, thank you. >>> we'll shift gears now. we have al at the weather wall with a check of the weather. >> thanks so much, savannah. we're talking heat out west. the wildfires right now, they're not going to get much relief in the humidity or temperatures. wednesday, up the 87 degrees. it will stay warm. temperatures 10 to 25 degrees above average. vegas by wednesday. 110. 109 in phoenix. phoenix, third day in a row they broke a record. the heat will start to shift east. but in the meantime later this week, finally starting to see a break. portland, by saturday. 68. 88 in sacramento. and 88 in salt lake city. that's what's going on around the country. here's what's going on in your neck of the woods. >>> good morning. a bright and sunny start to the day. 66 in rockville. a great way to get your monday going. high temperatures, in the 80s. 87 downtown.