he said, i love him. >> david remnick. editor of the new yorker. will you stay with us for three more minutes? i'll be right back. the first rule of being a viking. is that teamwork is important. remember to do the little things. help each other out. and the second rule of being a viking. there's more than one way to win. vikings: war of clans play free now. >>> joining us now again is david remnick of the new yorker, he spent days traveling with obama. you were talking before the break about what is unusual about this transition. one of the things we are seeing is a continual inability to absorb the news of steve bannon being the senior counselor to the president. we saw the white supremacist meeting this week. the trump transition continues to say this is misconstrued. they angrily dismiss any accountability for any of this stuff. they don't think they need to comment on it. what is your view on it? >> it's crazy. if you read breitbart, the sentiments expressed there, the degree of anti-semitic sentiment, he's responsible for that. it's his publi

spokesperson and counselor to the president but someone who has strong views on his own. >> rose: david remnick, michele flournoy, david sanger and kern kern, when we >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: david remnick is the editor of the "new yorker." he recently sat down with president obama over two pivotal days the friday before the election and two days after the election. the two delved into the campaign, the shifting landscape of today's media and the president's legacy. it offers a firsthand look into the mind of president obama as he reflects on the reality of his successor and the future of the united states. the piece is called "it happened here" and is the lead feature in the "new yorker"'s next issue which is out monday. pleased to have david remnick back at this table. in our conversation recorded thursday night, we talked about the entire article, but

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. >> rose: we begin with politics and david remnick of the "new yorker "magazine.fascinating interviews with president obama, talking about the election, about donald trump, and about the president's legacy. >> this is one really interesting thing that obama told me. he said, "i love the strange and mystical feeling of the day or two before election day, because suddenly everything's locked in, and everybody has their predictions, but mysterious things can happen." and he compared it to watching sports. yeah, there's a favorite, cleveland cavaliers may be underdogs to golden state by five point, but then you play the game. then the voters vote. and mysterious things can happen. it's not because the press is stupid opener all polls are broken. then the voters vote. and there's a long history of polling predictions and media predictions going kafleuy. ask harry truman. >> rose: how did he watch the election? was he sitting upstairs? >> at about 7:30, his political director came up and said, "look, i'm looking at the numbers" -- >> 7:30. >> 7:30 p.m. before, getting e

david remnick, with his little magazine, and david maraniss with "the washington post" and john alter with a whole variety of associations including "newsweek" and msnbc. and who have i left out? jacob weisberg, the founder or co-founder or ceo of slate. and these people are all known to you as legends. but i wanted to convene them to talk about my passion which is biography so that in addition to being the distinguished people that they are, they've written these astonishing books, all which i recommend to you. jonathan is at work on a biography of jimmy carter right now, author of a distinguished book on fdr. be and david maraniss has written many books and is the, i would say, authorized if not officially authorized biographer of clinton. and jacob wrote a book on reagan, and david remnick somehow miraculously managed to write a 600-page book about obama while tending to his day job. and they, i hope -- i know -- will bring considerable depth to this constitution because they're both journalists, writers and now biographers. now, in terms of the guy that i will call "that man," tha

i'll ask david dream nick, here in -- david remnick, neera teenan. why didn't the pundits see this coming? >> all of the models have hillary clinton ahead just by varying degrees. >> this week we will do a postmortem. then syria, isis, russia, china, what will president trump do about all these foreign policy challenges. i have a great panel to discuss. >>> first, here's my take. for those of us who opposed donald trump the response to tuesday's vote could be anger or honest reflection and i'm not by nature an angry person so i'll try the latter. donald trump remade the political map with a huge surge of support from working class whites, particularly in rural communities. let me be honest -- this is a world that i don't know and many people probably don't know have well and that's part of the problem. we have all managed to ignore rural america and the pain of economic hardship and social dislocation it has faced over the last few decades. the big divide in america today is urban versus rural. there's an essay on the a tier y'all web site "cracked"

them because they are fixtures on the cultural and political scene and have been for many years, david remnick, and david maraniss with "the washington post" and john alter with a whole variety of associations, including news week and msnbc, and who have i left out? jacob weisberg of slate. these people are known to you as legendment i wanted to convene them to talk about my passion which is biographer. in addition to being english people that they are they've written books and jonathan is at work on a biographer of jimmy carter right now, author of a distinguished work on fdr. and david maraniss, a book on clinton and jacob wrote a book on reagan and david, miraculously mapped to right a 600 page book about obama while attending his day job. and today, i hope-- i know will bring considerable depth to this discussion because they're both journalists, writers and now biographers. now, in terms of the guy that i will call that man, that's what fdr's enemy called him "that man", and i wrote each of the participants and i said why don't we layoff and try to talk about something else and david remn

a new new yorker article and interview with david remnick, president obama was concerned about the election days before the election. we'll bring hugh back in properly electronically right after this. >>> i'm told we reestablished connection with hugh hewitt. you will never believe the lead-in talking about when you were assistant council. with that in mind should donald trump make the hire of his prepresidency and hire a man or woman to whom he can say keep me above reproach? >> absolutely. don mccan is a name i'm hearing. no one is dick houser when it comes to being a fellow who served three different presidents in that job. you need someone who knows the epics laws very very well. also in the white house council's office they vet all of the would be supreme court. i think it must have been a michigan fan that -- there's a list of 20 people on his desk. from mike lee up to diane sikes at 58 and margaret ryan at 52. those are three presidential terms difference to me the much larger issue for the white house council will be who do they nominate to fill that scalia, vacancy. jack keen decli

a new new yorker article and interview with david remnick, president obama was concerned about the election days before the election. we'll bring hugh back in properly electronically right after this. a is for alll the way back. r is for read my mind. and i... can't see a thing. s... see you in the morning. polaris, from united. what aremaking a cake!ht now? uh oh. i don't see cake, i just see mess. it's like awful. it feels like i'm not actually cleaning it up. what's that make mommy do? (doorbell) what's that? swiffer wetjet. this is amazing. woah wow. now i feel more like making a mess is part of growing up. only new wetjet pads have absorb and lock to soak up tough messes and lock them away stop cleaning. start swiffering. did you know slow internet can actually hold your business back? say goodbye to slow downloads, slow backups, slow everything. comcast business offers blazing fast and reliable internet that's 10 times faster than slow internet from the phone company. say hello to internet speeds up to 150 mbps. and add phone and tv for only $34.90 more a month. call today. comcast bu

david remnick is the editor-in-chief of the "new yorker." a biographer of president obama. he published a piece online at 2:40 a.m. on wednesday as the election returns kept rolling in. that piece "an american tragedy" went viral. neera tanden was co-chair of the clinton/kaine transition, her day job is president and ceo of the center for american progress. dan senor was a spokesman in the bush 43 administration and a senior foreign policy advisor to the romney/ryan campaign in 2012. and in toronto, conrad black is a columnist for the national post, he's also that newspaper's founder. conrad, let me begin with you since you supported donald trump and, therefore, i think i owe it to you to give us your theory of the case. how do you explain trump's victory? >> i think that some of the factors you mentioned, fareed, certainly played in it. but i think that there was no real argument put forward for the reelection of the democrats, and their entire campaign consisted of an attack on donald trump as a racist and a sexist and possibly a warmonger and inciter of domestic violence

still be there but likely to be a minority faction. >> david remnick has to leave at 8:00. everybody else stay. david do you have any final thoughts on the presidency in general and what we're being to face? >> only that it's my 29th weds anniversary and if i don't get to where i'm going to go i'm not going to reach 30. that is really it. will say that what was encouraging, because i don't want everybody to go home and kill themselves -- is that i've never seen a more politically astute thrashing in any kind of political combat in the third debate where i think finally everything was unmasked, and yet tens of millions of people are going to vote for trump, and it is -- bears watching for all of us as citizens and journalists, first to understand why this is the case, is everybody who is pulling the lever for donald trump a white supremacist or member of some incredibly ugly group or thinks ill of all the groups that trump has insulted and attempted to humiliate? i don't know that's the case. i dearly hope not and i don't thinks it is but as a political composer and what shap

david remnick is now with us. you say he said this is not apocalyptic. >> he said the end of the world is only here when the end of the world is here. this is the rhetoric of trying to buck up not only his staff, but the american people, and the tens of millions of people who voted against donald trump, because he doesn't want people to despair if in fact they are feeling that way. >> what worries him then as president of the united states sitting in the oval >> appointments like sessions or flynn, who he fired, or steve bannon, that is for starters what worries him. he worries somebody who had a national campaign that was marked by misogyny and racism and all the rest is now president of the united states. he's worried about a range of things. >> and his legacy included. >> his legacy from health care to the iran deal to so much else. >> but he says in the article, you say in the article that the president told you he does not repudiation of his legacy. on the campaign trail, he made it very clear, listen, if hil

. >> we continue with david remnick who had two long interviews with president obama and we talk about the obama legacy. >> some american politicians and leaders, read a leffly talk about american exceptionalism. they talk about it in re-- religious terms, that show america is blessed, that we're mortal ented, and handsome and beautiful and blessed by god for this special history in the history of the world. >> rose: separated by oceans. >> obama doesn't believe that. he believes that our exceptionalism resides in two things. first, the unbelievable gift of becoming the essentially the brain child of a group of enlightenment era philosophers who developed a constitution. number one. and number two, that we are a country that has advanced largely due to social movements of great importance. >> rose: and we continue with sebastian mallaby who has written about alan greenspan in a much praised book called the man who knew, the life and times of alan greenspan. >> green span was extremely persuasive and comfortable in one-on-one situations. but he was also shy and difficult i dent in group

david remnick is editor of "the new yorker" magazine and long time chronicle for the president. for "it happened here" he views the president the last election of the campaign and after mr. obama's meeting with the forward was to assume the mask of decorum to avoid any trace of the contempt that once had been so pronounced. david, good morning. >> good morning, charlie. >> you said he basically said this is not apocalyptic? >> he said the end of the world is here only when the end of the world is here. this is not to buck up his staff but the american people and tens of millions of people who voted against donald trump. because he doesn't want feeling that way. >> what worries him them as the president of the united states who is sitting in the on the floor -- oval office? >> where to on begin? certainly appointments like sessions and flynn who he fired and steve bannon. that is for starters worries him. he worried someone who had a national campaign that was marked by misogyny and racism and is now president of the united states. he is worried about a range of things. >> and hi

and what he described to david remnick in that exclusive interview, when he was on the road in peru,r" was, he's trying to appeal to his better angels. he really is trying to place a bet that once you get the office, once you are elected, that you might be different than the person who ran. >> sure. and there's some evidence that the president's approach might be a smart approach. if you look at what trump had to say about general mattis today, so during the campaign, trump was very clear, it's completely clear, torture works, we have to do more of it, not just waterboarding, worse than waterboarding. he sat down with general mattis and he heard what any general and anybody in the field would tell you, which is that torture doesn't work and that you are much better off if you offer a cigarette and a cup of coffee. when he heard it from somebody that he trusted, that he had that good relationship, he was able to take it in and repeat it back. and so, to the extent that he and president obama can forge this unexpected relationship, given all that's gone on between them, that could be v

our boss jeff zucker talked about holding the administration's feet to the fire, so did david remnick of the "new yorker" and christiane amanpour impressed the room the most, i think, talking about journali journalism's existential crisis. not only because of donald trump but fake news and other issues but she was clear about the challenge we face to hold trump accountable. he says so many things, contradictory in nature and criticizes journalists all the way. it's a yuf nia-mali ee's a uniq >> and we can't back off because trump supporters will say we're liars or fake news and that it's not our job to approach any candidate or any president with a critical eye. that's what the media does. without that i don't think they would want a country without that. do you mind a share if a conversation we had privately. >> of course -- course? >> i think you'll be find with it. >> we were talking about if reporters were afraid of donald trump or members of the media in some way and you said you believe some people are. >> i think many journalists have been fearful of donald trump because of his

after the votes were counted enough to know what the result was, the new yorkers david remnick postedcle saying this. in the coming days, commentators will attempt to normalize this event. they will try to soothe their readers and viewers about thoughts about the innate vision and decency of the american people. they'll downplay the virulence of the nationalism displayed, the cruel decision to elevate a man who rides in a gold plated airliner but who has staked his claim with the populist rhetoric of blood in the soil. george orwell, the most fearless of commentators was right to point out that public opinion is no more innately wise than humans are innately kind. people can behave foolishly, recklessly, self-destructively in the aggregate just as they can individually. joining us now author of "the true america." an nbc news contributor. annan, your take on where we are in america as of tonight. >> the message passed around among so many of my friends today was that this was a physical, not a cerebral feeling. >> yeah, yeah. >> and that it felt perhaps more like a breakup, a very bad

david remnick saying this is a crucial time to show other countries how much we value the first amendmentat's the kind of language, the kind of rhetoric we're hearing from top journalists. i think it foreshadows the more adversarial relationship. whether that's the intent or not on the journalist's part, trump is trying to set the media up as his opponent, as his adversary. >> the trip to "the new york times" today was fascinating. an hour-long on-the-record discussion with a group of reporters is terrific, it's the kind of thing any news organization would welcome and it's good for all of us and good for the american people to see that kind of conversation. donald trump hasn't done a full press conference, doug, in inlgs, i think since july. and it is certainly something previous president-elects have done during the transition period, certainly by this time during the transition. >> yeah, i was very surprised when he was rolling out his new cabinet selections, that he didn't show up with a press conference, introduce them, have a little bit of a give and take. he's really kind of been i

trump prepares to take office, we are getting an inside look at prent david remnick is editor of "the new yorker" magazine and long time chronicle for the president. for "it happened here" he interviews the president the last election of the campaign and after mr. obama's meeting th the president-elect. they decided that the best path so pronounced. david, good morning. d morning, chaie. >> you said he basically said this is t apocalyptic? e he e oe worl rld is here.is ito bk up his stt the amane tensf mill o certainly appointmenike athe sessions and flynn who he fired him. he worried someone who had a national campaign that was marked by misogyny and racism and is now president of the united states. he is woabourrd a range of thin on tifepudiation ohis he s ars havmade i tnk only in rhetoric.deednd appointments make that clear at hot ie netuous and about our wod ca, this is a administration that is chaotpeec >> yes. >> remember whe learned about donald trump and if -- if -- if he makes good on that. if he is, in fact, who he to b the esent is deeply worried. >> your article is so ric