joining us with reaction milwaukee sheriff david clark, senior correspondent geraldo railway var o riverastart with you tonight. >> it was a pleasure watching two decent, god fearing patriotic americans go out at, both of home are the fathers of serving united states marines and thinking how different this campaign would be if these were the two figures at the top of both of the respective tickets. the ratings would be lower, but i think you would have a more sensible and in many ways more reasoned debate over real issues. >> what was so reasonable about tim kaine tonight? he wouldn't shut up and stop interrupting? >> i think in the first half of the debate he was annoying with interruptions. >> was the whole debate, wouldn't stop. >> that's why i give pence the slight advantage over who won the debate. pence did something his boss failed to do. there was no rosy o'donnell, no ms. universe. governor pence did not rise to the bait that kaine presented. i think that he did an excellent job. i think kaine made made his points as well though, sean. i think in fairness, i give a slight edge as