and we have discussed it in particular because of mutual friend david rohde, who was a reporter at the time, was kidnapped and held captive by the bosnian serbs for quite some time. and holbrooke had to use quite a bit of diplomatic effort to get him released. and then david rohde was kidnapped by the taliban, while i was working with holbrooke and we had to make quite an effort to get released by the taliban. including going to see the king of saudi arabia to discuss it with him. you come when i mean all brooks said is on the record i was in tears saying i was told to sacrifice throbber nature. i suppose what he means by that is that the use u.s. and u.n. forces were not did not intervene against the massacres and separates it. carried out by the bosnian serbs. i mean how we see things and cause of our bad today. but in this welcome in afghanistan, and you criticized obama's emphasis on counter terror at the expense of civil society building. just to explain a bit about that, because i mean, how many cars i, who's been on this show has alleged that actually the united states under oba

. >> david rohde wrote in "the new yorker" today, and he spoke to the idea that humoring the president actually undermines democracy. he was speaking about bill lauer, talking about looking into election fraud. at best, barr is humoring the president, playing for time, and expects state and federal judges to stand up to trump and dismiss his false claims. odds are that the judges, particularly those with lifetime appointments, will do so. still, there is no excuse for allowing a sitting president to flirt with authorityianism. you can't humor the president on something like this. this is the basis of our democracy. >> yeah. i mean for one thing, hours tick by. days go by. now weeks are going by without the white house being able to take a clear stand on what's just happened. for another thing, as you say, mr. barr is supposed to stand for the rule of law. there are few aspects of the rule of law more important than our succession principle. our succession principle, which is that of democratic representation of citizens. by stating even that, the department of justice should be investi