is david sanger, the augustov of "confront and conceal, obama's secret war and the surprise pentagon use of american power." welcome, david. >> great to be back with you, charlie. >> rose: tell me where you think we are as we approach the weekend with rhetoric and reality. >> well, the rhetoric has been extraordinarily strong. the reality has been a little bit better. we've not seen many north korean troop movements. there is a belief there could be a missile test in the next few days. but, you know, we've seen missile tests before. i think there are two big questions right now surrounding this entire, bizarre couple of weeks. the first is, is kim jong un, the young leader of north korea, playing by the same play book that his father and grandfather played by? and there's reason to think maybe he isn't. the second question is, does he now have the capability to take the nuclear weapons that have been tested three times, shrink them down and fit them atop a missile? the defense intelligence agency we learned through a somewhat remarkable and bizarre disclosure yesterday believes that h

to grow or start your business visit thenewny.com >>> welcome back, joining me is david sanger, chiefcorrespondent for "the new york times" and the author of "the new york times" bestseller, "confront and conceal." surprising use of american power now out in paperback. congratulations to you. david you're just back from the middle east, so you have fresh reporting on the chemical weapons issue and what the israelis were saying as well from their intelligence, now you've got israeli intelligence, british and french out in front of the u.s. consensus, the consensus here is well, not so sure, it could have been the regime, we think it was probably the he regime because we don't think that the opposition groups have them. but without a chain of custody, we're not going to go further. >> that's right. and i think what's going on andrea here is everybody is working from the same set of forensic evidence. so they know -- >> blood samples and so forth. >> so they know that sarin gas was used. the question was it used deliberately or not. i was in israel and was there the day that the israeli

. >> rose: david sanger, jack nicklaus, gavin turk when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we begin this evening with korea, where the possibilities of war continue to hwang over the peninsula. neither the intentions nor the capabilities of popping i don't think with clear. yesterday the defense intelligence agency expressed moderate confidence that north korea could keploy nuclear missiles using missiles. secretary of state john kerry spoke this morning in seoul to hereassure our allies. >> i want to reiterate the most important things with respects to the tensions that exist here in this region. neither the united states nor the rug o repup lick of korea, nor the international community, we are all united in the fact that north korea will not be accepted as a nuclear power. >> rose: joining me from washington, d.c. is david sanger, the augustov of "confront and conceal, obama's secret war and the surprise pentagon use of american power." welcome, david. >> great t

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all that, plus analysis from davi from david ignatius of the "washington post," david sanger of the names. madeleine albright of the. requested cook political report, and our own own john dickerson, next on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. captioning sponsored by cbs chff: good morning again. the topics are g and migration. we're going to start this morning with immigration. we're joined by the senator many consider the key person on this issue, marco rubio, who is part of a pipartisan gang of eight, who have worked out a compromise proposal. they are hoping it will result in a reform of immigration laws that will appeal to both sides. the senator's in miami this morning. senator, good morning. >> good morning. >> schieffer: let me just make sure first, do you-- have you agreed with the gang of eight? are you all together on this proposal and when will you unveil it? >> first of all, it's important to understand we're not agreeing to a press release. we're agreeing to a bill, a piece of legislation. we have a

we begin this single with david sanger of the "new york times," and a close look at what's happeningrth korea. >> so the big question here, charlie, is at what point do the chinese decide to reverse the calculus of the past six decades? at what point do they say, you know, every time the north koreans come to beijing it's for money or oil or food. and every time the south koreans come to beijing it's to invest in another samsung plant or pring

along with george will, greta van susteren from fox news and david sanger of the "new york times". martha, let me begin with you. you're just back from north korea. we heard the general right there, said they're ready to respond, do they they'll have to? >> i don't think they want to respond. i think they're trying to talk south koreans out of responding if one of those missiles is launched and falls in the water. the biggest fear of the united states right now is that south korea will respond in some way, that they'll be provoked to respond. >> won't south korea have to try to shoot it down? >> not if it goes in the water. that's a perfectly good strategy for kim jong-un, he can say it was just going in the water. we were testing missiles. south korea responded to that without any danger coming their way. they would be the ones accused. >> the best outcome would be a failure of north korea. david, you have a piece coming out in the "new york times" how the u.s. can calibrate their response, there's a plan for all-out war. but it's tricky figuring out how to step-up possible to ste

probably not one that can go very far, but probably something like the nodong that david sa sanger was talking about. that does change the calculation. it does change how the world reacts. will the united states treat north korea like a nuclear power, like a nuclear power that can project its weapons to foreign nations? what does that mean, how does it change calculations? i think the u.s. in part is dyinging back because it doesn't make those calculations. >> mark? >> this begs another question. what would north korea do with a weapon? it would be suicidal to launch the weapon, to use it. but it shows in many ways that nonproliferation, zero tolerance of nuclear weapons, being expanded beyond the initial powers is broken. india has a weapon. pakistan has nukes. israel, south africa had nukes and voluntarily gave them up. so what do you do then? do you sanction countries into crying uncle and saying no, we will give up these weapons? do you threaten them and cause them to think, hey, maybe in nuclear deterrent is more useful for us than not. >> and what we have seen is we've seen the u

very characteristically, well-organized, impressive, impeccable presentation, and then sandy sanger said, david, you've been around for a while, do you have anything to say? that caught me by surprise, loss at a words with something to say which was union city is a great -- union city high is a great urban high school. that's wonderful. i want to come back here in five years and hear people talk about union city as a great high school, no excuses; right? for the fact it's in the poor, tough city, a great high school, and everything i know about this high school that it's well on its way to that. takes a long time, and it takes one more thing, and that is the engagement of the community of a mayor, a mayor who never sleeps, a phone number you'll find in the book because he hands it out on the business card. have it in your hand. [applause] i look around, driving around the city with someone, what a great park, what as interesting area. what's that plaza doing there. oh, you know? all, you know, because of a mayor who is very effective here, very effective in trenton, gets to talk about the schoo