working together, sharing appropriate information as true partners. >> joining me from palo alto is david sanger, pool reporter for president's visit to silicon vale. david, we know a little bit about what the president said and did. what didn't he say and do? >> he never mentioned cyber, even though it's what the government is spending billions of dollars on. it's important to the company because they know while the president is sincere in wanting to seal up the internet here, he wants to leave enough chinks in the armor so that intelligence agencies can get in to listen to territories so that law enforcement agencies can get in to be able to attract kidnappers and so forth but also so that the n.s.a. can make full use of the internet to attack other countries if they need to or to defend american networks with some kind of preemptive attack. >> charlie: what about the issue of encryption? >> encryption is a very difficult issue for the president and for these companies. so the government's official position has been let's get out and secure the internet as much as we can. so tim cook, the chie

ruth marcus column northern iowa for the "washington post," david sanger national security correspondentthe "new york times." nancy youssef with the daily beast and john harris, the cofounder and editor in chief of politico. nancy, i want to start with you. you were out in the middle east for so long working, you've been to all of these places, i want to ask you about this idea that isis recruiting jihadis at nearly the same rate that we were killing them. do you believe that's right and where does that go? how do we counter that? >> well, the u.s. military said that they killed 6,000 roughly since the air campaign began in august. in that time independent said 4,000 have come in even since october. it seems that they're able to keep up at the rate that they are being killed. now the interesting thing is, military doesn't have a means to really accurately count those numbers because they don't have troops on the ground. yet do the groups giving these numbers. the results are the same, which is that they're able to recruit. one of the reasons is as we see these barbaric videos, but for so

david sanger from "the new york times." good to see you today. >> david, how are you doing? i apologize, i did not read "the new york times." >> only my mother reads me early in the morning. my question to you goes to the question of encryption something that has come up here recently. you saw in the fall when apple turned out a new operating system for the iphone 6 it basically put all the encryption keys into the hands of the users and said if they get a request either a legal request from law enforcement or one from you, all they could really hand over from the phone itself would be jibberish. you'd have to go break the code. they made it pretty clear in recent times, even when the president was out in california last week, that they planned to extend that encryption eventually up into the cloud and so forth. and we've heard the f.b.i. director say this is creating a dark hole that's going to get in the way of their investigations. we haven't heard very much from the intelligence community on this. i wonder if you'd talk a little bit about this whole phenomenon of basical

david sanger from "the new york times.” good to see you today. >> david, how are you doing? apologize, i did not read "the new york times.” >> only my mother reads me early in the morning. my question to you goes to the question of encryption something that has come up here recently. you saw in the fall when apple turned out a new operating system for the iphone 6 it basically put all the encryption keys into the hands of the users and said if they get a request, either a legal request from law enforcement or one from you, all they could really hand over from the phone itself would be jibberish. you'd have to go break the code. they made it pretty clear in recent times, even when the president was out in california last week, that they planned to extend that encryption eventually up into the cloud and so forth. and we've heard the f.b.i. director say this is creating a dark hole that's going to get in the way of their investigations. we haven't heard very much from the intelligence community on this. i wonder if you'd talk a little bit about this whole phenomenon of basicall