we want to bring in cnn political analyst david gregory and david sanger. nice to have you here. david gregory, what do you make of the shift from the talk of rocket man that, kind of rhetoric to now i hope they'll come to the table? >> have you to consider the audience for president trump right now. he's in the region where showing up in form is often more important in these meetings and the true substance. there is a diplomatic track going on. he is very scripted over there, something we don't often see certainly when he's back home. he has been very scripted. i imagine the bilateral meetings he's having are rather scripted as well. a lot of things are going on at once. what would be included in that is as much of a show of force as possible to the north on the part of the united states, working with allies in the region. all the talk about japan getting more american hardware and weaponry. south korea and the united states doing joint exercises, meeting with china, an effort to put more economic pressure on. all of that happening to perhaps give north korea an out, some kind of

. >> with me now, david sanger, cnn political and national security analyst. david sanger, i know you know this part of the world very well, and so let's just get right to this interview over the weekend with the president where he said he would be willing to sit down with the north korean dictator. he was asked about it and let me tell you exactly what president trump said. he said he would certainly be open to doing that. he said i would sit with anybody i feel. i don't think it's strength or weakness. i don't think it's a bad thing. would that be in the u.s.' best interests? >> it would depend on how well it was set up. the president had varying views on this. in an interview last year he told me pretty much the same thing. at other points, he has said that negotiating with kim jong-un is useless and he chastised the secretary of state for suggesting, in fact, that there should be negotiations. i think the answer to the question, though, is you wouldn't want to put any president especially one who has not dealt with the north koreans before in this situatio

david sanger, knowing the deem see, and i was just there as well.amms are a and anything else. how rare is it that a north korean soldier would try to defect, a, but, b, right there? >> you know, brooke of all the ways to get into south korea from the north he picked probably one of the hardest. this is not only heavily fortified but the area he was going across is one of the most heavily guarded so the chances they were going to open fire on him were pretty high. it's amazing he only got hit four times which is what we've heard. what we've also heard from the surgeons is that when they got into him they discovered a number of incredible parasites in his system which tells you a little bit about what happens in the north korean sanitary system and their diet so it was a little bit of a picture into the brutality of life in the north. >> not to gross people out eating their lunch right now but i think it's worth talking about as it speaks to then na malnourishment, the fact that one of the doctors pulled out this parasite this was something like 11 i

so david sanger is with me now, cnn political and national security analyst and also with "the new york, if, and this is, again --. if his death is ruled a suicide, he would be the second american to have killed himself after being released from north korean detention. my question to you, you know, once the government, you know, retrieves these prisoners, while they're back in the states after they've been in north korea, is it their duty to make sure they are okay? >> well, brooke, you'd hope so. first, happy thanksgiving. >> thank you. same to you. >> to your viewers. and in this particular case, we can't seem to tell right now whether or not the individual who was -- who was on fire here, mr. gomes, was on fire because of an accident, a suicide or whether there was some criminal act. so far there has been no suggestion of that yet. in 2010, we didn't know very much about him. jimmy carter didn't say very much about when he brought him out, and so we didn't learn very much about him other than a brief interview he gave a few years ago in which he said that he had been kept in captivit

joining us now, analyst david sanger, formand seemingly this becoming a pattern for jared kushner.ll the meetings he failed to disclose, several times on his security clearance form including the meeting with the russian lawyer. also now this e-mail chain on wikileaks. a so-called russian back door overture, communications with michael flynn. so richard, if kushner wasn't the president's son-in-law, would he still have a security clearance? >> i don't know because this white house is willing to hand out security clear answeances t about anybody. think of flynn who was a foreign a little. this is a situation where just about everybody on this team including jared kushner and the attorney general has a lot of amnesia about anything having to do with the russians and also wikileaks. so either he wasn't being candid with the committee there or he just forgot what was in his e-mail, but we've just seen so many repeated instances in which high ranking officials in the administration have just forgotten about anything having to do with russia while they were busy colluding with the russia

david sanger is the new york times national security correspondent. 's one of the reporters who broke this story. he joins me now from boston. welcome, david. david: great to be back with you, charlie. charlie: here is the new york times today. deep security breach cripples nsa. mysterious group steals powerful hacking weapons, putting world in danger. so explain to me, please, who did what to whom and what does it mean. david: charlie, this story really goes back to august of 2016. a month you may remember we were all thinking about another hack. it was really when we discovered the depths of the russian hacking into the democratic national committee and the release of emails, and so forth. it was just the moment when the russia hack was beginning to gather steam. that same month, this group called the shadow brokers, who we didn't really understand then and don't really understand 15 months later, began publishing what looked like very obscure computer code that they advertised as coming out of the deepest depths of the nsa, a group called the tailor

we talk to david sanger of "the new york times." >> in is the special forces of the nsa, the group thatigns american attacks to get in the foreign computer systems. the attack against iran to cripple their centrifuges was a tao or partly a tao operation. the attacks you and i have discussed before against north korea's miss el program was partly a tao operation, the attacks against the islamic state. so this is the most critical group of cyberwarriors that we have. and it looked like they were beginning to hemorrhage many of their own tools. it probably needed the help of an insider, maybe several.

these should be career positions and all of that but the interviews for example that david sanger did for donald trump during the campaign , just underlined how little he knew about american foreign policy, about our relationship with japan, about our relationship with the allies. he needed people around him that knew how the process of government work. he picked tellers and who is the kind of person in private life that you think like somebody like a profound or people of that nature that could come into government and bring what they knew and what they had learned but then he put these people in there and won't let them do anything, what let thembring in , some parts of the state department are half empty, there's nobody to help him. and whenhe does say something , trump won't hesitate to cut his legs off underneath him. so sometimes you say who would his chief of staff b, who could be a jim baker for him, i'm not sure that's possible. when you look at trumps business background, he's basically a mom-and-pop grocery store run by the family but with hundreds of millions of dollars. n

david sanger political and national security analyst and national security correspondent for "the new york times." great to see all of you. glad i have the brady bunch here. a lot to get to. what does it mean first and foremost talk about the human rights bit, the huge bit, what does it mean that the white house says that the -- that the president brought up briefly human rights offenses or in discussion with the philippines and duterte's people said it wasn't brought up at all. what is your read there? >> my read is setting up a meeting with duterte in the first case was a huge mistake. presidential meetings are often used as a reward for good behavior and now looks like president trump is condoning thousands of judicial killings at the same time duterte made offensive comments about the media which trump just took on board. this was a know your boss moment. president trump didn't confront putin about a direct attack on the united states. so i don't see how trump's advisors thought that he was going to go into this meeting and confront dutert on human rights abuses. >> do you think i

in time david sanger chief executive between two thousand and five and two thousand and twelve is already out on bail after being found guilty of misconduct in april and son's future remains uncertain with the potential for a retrial reports now from rome. he was noted by prince charles for his role as finance secretary guarding hong kong's money reserves through the last two years as a british colony his popularity saw him elected chief executive in twenty five he served two terms in the top job it was his conduct between twenty ten and twenty twelve that led to his fall from grace the once popular civil servant became the focus of a three year investigation by the independent commission against corruption it found he accepted five years from tycoons while in the top job. in april this year he was found guilty of misconduct and was sentenced to twenty months behind bars the verdict made him the highest ranking public servant in hong kong to be giles but the jury failed to reach a verdict on one bribery charge forcing a retrial last month the seventy three year old returned to court he wa

we talk to david sanger of "the new york times." >> in is the special forces of the nsa, the group that designs american attacks to get in the foreign computer systems. the attack against iran to cripple their centrifuges was a tao or partly a tao operation. the attacks you and i have discussed before against north korea's miss el program was partly a tao operation, the attacks against the islamic state. so this is the most critical group of cyberwarriors that we have. and it looked like they were beginning to hemorrhage many of their own tools. it probably needed the help of an insider, maybe several. and part waf we discovered as we dug deeper into this subject was that inside the nsa they think there may still be insider was were part of this. >> and we begun continue with the latest in politics with robert costa of "the washington post." >> i have been in indiana recently, pennsylvania, new jersey, and virginia. and the voters there are noticeably still angry about the global economy. not necessarily in love with president trump politically. but they still have some of the grieveanc

let's discuss this with national security analyst david sanger, he's a national security correspondent for "the new york times." can you hear me. >> i'm sorry. i heard the first part there from you. >> we're having technical problems. >> now you're back. say it again. >> at least there's someone to talk to me. let's talk first about what i was going to ask kaitlan collins about the pretty shocking and very noteworthy shift in how the president spoke about china and the trade deficit during the campaign and how the president is talking about it today from beijing. >> well, i think it has more to do with where he was speaking than what he was speaking about. because he went on into this trip and particularly into the visit with xi jinping, the newly reempowered president of china, he had to take care of his north korea issues first and you'll remember that a few months ago, the president in a very telling aside said, why would i pressure china on trade while they're helping me on north korea. now, we can have a debate later on about how much they're really helping on north korea but he h

david sanger is the new york times national security correspondent. e now from boston. welcome, david. david: great to be back with you, charlie. charlie: here is the new york times today. deep security breach cripples nsa. mysterious