let's put these questions to david sanger. was at the singapore summit with north korea and he says, donald trump's unconventional diplomacy, in fact, extracted less from north korea than previous u.s. presidents have. in his new book sanger asks whether we are ignoring the real threat to western democracy, which is not nuclear, but cyber warfare. a decade ago, there were three or four nations with effective cyber forces. now there are more than 30. the perfect weapon, his new book, explores this new era of digital sabotage, disinformation and fear spreading. he joins me now live from new york. david sanger, welcome to the program. >> great to be back with you. >> yeah. the last time we were together was in singapore as we were reporting and observing and trying to analyze what was going on. there's no doubt that many had a lot of hope and still do that this may have shifted the calculus and shifted at least the psychology for now. i want to ask you first, you say the president extracted less and came away with less than previ

here to discuss is david sanger. he's national security correspondent for the "new york times" and reporter and editor at large chris cillizza. >> and body language expert. >> noted. >> the president going to quebec, going to the g-7 for a much shorter time. well, at least a little bit of a shorter time than previously anticipated. obviously deeply uncomfortable about what may happen in the next 24 hours. >> you know, i've covered g-7 summits now for a few decades. i've never seen a leader leave early with no clear outside reason. i've been to some where a terrorist incident or something caused people to leave. but in this particular case, it's clear that the president, first of all, didn't want to go. secondly, doesn't want to get into this argument. and thirdly, is incredibly angry at two leaders with whom he thought he was building up a good relationship, trudeau and macron. and he's had pretty harsh conversations with the two of them. they were sort of the last two who thought that they could actually go deep wit

and also with me david sanger. david, we just heard larry kudlow provide some kind of linkage between the president's behavior on the way here with the g-7 summit and the north korean summit. he said the united states, the president can't afford to look weak. so the way to look strong is to kick your canadian ally so you look more powerful to kim jong-un? >> mr. kudlow's comments left me a little confused. remember what happened here. the united states agreed to a communique before the president got on his airplane. he gets on the airplane. he hears something he doesn't like from justin trudeau and un-signs the communique. that may be the bigger message to kim jong-un here. he could come to an agreement tomorrow and then if -- you know, we're at the beginning of what is going to be a long and rocky road with the north koreans. and i'm not sure the message you necessarily want to set is what he agreed with the leaders he walks away from. >> jim shuuto, it's interesting. normally, and i know president trump reacts in

david sanger is joining us.see you. >> great to be back with you. >> just when you think you have enough nightmares. >> we'll give you a few more. >> have we already been tackling the recipients of cyber attacks. >> we have been both the recipient and the deliverer. u.s. had a covert program to go after the north korean missile program. that might be back depending how well things work out with north korea after last week. the last time i did a book six years ago, iescribed t iran attacks. at that timet was hard to find another state-on-state cyber attack. as i was working on "the perfect weapon," it became clear we were in a world in which states had basically decided that this is the fundamental way to compete with each other and undercut each other. you can do it in a stealthy way that is heart to attribute. chances are, you are not going to get attacked back. that's why north korea went after sony. >> what do some of these look like? >> they have a huge spectrum. we're the collateral damage for this state-on

david sanger, i want to shift gears if i can. claimed that he was going to have a phone call over the weekend with his new negotiating partner kim jong-un, the leader of north korea. that phone call didn't happen and now we wake up and kim is in china. two days of meetings with president xi jinping, the third time he's met with xi in the last couple of months. what are we supposed to make of kim being in china today? >> these two things really are related. it was just last summer that president trump said why would i get tough with china while they're helping me on north korea. well, now, he's getting tough on china with all of the effects that you just heard from katherine. what's likely to happen in the meeting with kim? kim's basically going to say, hey, look, i managed the problem for you. your biggest fear he would say to xi jinping was that donald trump was going to come in, do something wild, bomb north korea, destabilize my regime, instead i've gotten that calmed out for you. the chinese reaction has already been to lift

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let's bring in david sanger at the white house, our national security analyst. david, oouyou've talked to the president about this. why is he inclined to believe vladimir putin over every single official in a senior position in u.s. intelligence? >> that's exactly what i asked him, john, and as i relate in the book, his answer to this was he believes the intelligence reports that were written from this at the end of the obama administration were so politicized -- he specifically mentions james clapper, the director of national intelligence, and john brennan, the former cia director, that you couldn't possibly believe him. so you say, well, sir, it's also been signed off on by every one of your intelligence officials, including mike pompeo, now the secretary of state, who presumably will be accompanying the president to the meeting in helsinke. he just ignores that, because he so associates any recognition of the russian role here with the questions about legitimacy of his own election. even though right now we don't have any concrete evidence that the russians ac

>>> i'm joined now by two of national security analysts david sanger from "the new york times" and gail lamond. david, big picture, a lot of the wording as we said in this joint declaration, this joint statement is wording that deals have been made from north korea in the past, same wording? >> absolutely right. some of the wording goes back to 1992, north/south agreement which was much more specific, some to the clinton era, bush documents and, in fact, this agreement specifically references the agreement reached between north and south korea a few weeks ago. so the words complete denuclearization are there. they're nowhere defined and there's no timetable. previous agreements have committed north korea to allowing iaea inspectors back into the country to adhering to international arms control eaties and so forth. >> it's actually even less specific. >> it's less. now, the president's bet is that none of that matters. m that they builtis that the up some trust and that he's doing this from the t down now and that all previous presidents who tried to do it from the bottom up. maybe he's

look, i was just -- david sanger of the new york times is here as well. >> yes. >> i just remember as if it was yesterday when president reagan got in a room on his own with the leader of the soviet union. chairman gore about a clav in '86 in reykjavik iceland. that meeting didn't go well. president reagan was criticized heavily by his own side for giving away the shop i'm not saying that's what's going to happen today. it's only 45 minutes on, perhaps their ministers can come in and speak to what was said in that crucial first meeting. >> it's one of the things you've been looking at, david sanger. president trump has said he's prepared his whole life for this. do you we knowow much kim jong-un knows of details of a nuclear policy? >> we know from secretary pompeo, that kim jong-un seems to know his brief and understand the structure of the north korean nuclear program in quite some detail. and remember, this program is the legacy of his father and grandfather. particularly important to him is the grandfather. he's gone out of his way to remind his people of the founder of. >> it was

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david sanger is with us in our studio tonight.ational security correspondent for "the times." in his spare time, he shared if three plitse erpulitzers at the. "the perfect weapon: war, sabotage, and fear in the cyber age." it's in actually bookstores tomorrow. it goes on sale on the web if we're still at this in a couple of minutes it will open up. welcome to you. >> great to be back with you, brian. >> i'm opening the page. i dog eared and one particular sentence. "while the americans dithered, the russians feasted." you were talking about the dnc hack but it seems to me that's the thesis statement for the whole book. i have a dual question. how would we react to being under attack were this in normal times? how would it feel like in america? and number two, how have we raised our game since you started reporting for this? >> we have raised our game. the problem is the attacks and attack space because we have connected everything to the internet has increased faster than we have been able to raise the game. this is a book about h

. >> and david sanger, kim jong-un is in this position because he accelerated the nuclear program. >> because he accelerated his nuclear program, the missile program. he put the technology together. he convinced the united states he would soon be able to strike any american city. he's not quite there yet. it might take a few years. if it wasn't for that, he wouldn't have the leverage he has got today. that gets to the question, george, of -- what do you actually think could come out of this tomorrow? and, now on tuesday. and i think the answer is that the president has begun to turn toward his thoughts of a piece treaty before he gets to the thought of what would complete verifiable, irreversible denuclearization look like? one of the concerns here is that the president might lose sight of the denuclearization points because he's entranced at the point of being the person to bring peace to the korean peninsula is a big deal. >> he says he's prepared to walk out. but he doesn't want to. >> absolutely. i think his strategist said, he will walk out. if he's not getting a good vibe, his i

joining us right now is "new york times" national security correspondent david sanger his new book isd "the perfect weapon: war, sabotage, and fear in the cyber age. thanks for being here today. >> great to be here. sorry i'm missing andrew but it doesn't look like he's suffering much. >> no, it doesn't. he is enjoying the scenery, shall we say david, let's talk about what's been happening on this front you've been covering this for over a decade. cyber warfare. and you say it's not the big pearl harbor attack we need to worry about but other issues more insidious along the way why don't you describe that. >> well, becky, we started off with people always worried about sort of the lights out scenario, the moment where somebody hits the power grid and you lose all the electricity from boston to washington and chaos ensues. that can still happen at the beginning of a major conflict. and certainly the united states builds into its war plans now doing that to other countries. you'll read about a plan to basically blackout iran if we got into a conflict with them. but i think if we learned

president, david sanger, "new york times." wondering if you could give us some sense of whether chairman kim told you how many nuclear weapons he believes he has made, whether he is willing to turn those over first, and then whether in your mind you need to do more than was done in the iran deal for dismantling the both uranium and plutonium processes, whether or not you had a sense that chairman kim really understood what that involves and had a timetable in his own mind of shutting that. >> well, david, i can tell you, he understands. he understands it so well. he understands it better than the people that are doing the work for him. that is an easy one. as far as what he has, it is substantial. very substantial. the timing will go quickly. i believe you'll see some good action. i mean, as an example, one of the things with the missile site i think you're surprised to hear, that was a throw in at the end, the missile site. i really believe, david, it is going to go very quickly. i really believe it is going to go fast. and i

joining me now chief national security correspondent jim sciutto and david sanger. david, look, i think it may be an oversimplistic way to look at this but people are asking who won? who comes out looking better or with more? the people of the korean peninsula won because it seems that we're further away from the possibility of military conflict to an extent. the world is maybe, you know, safer than it was eight months ago, but if you're looking at president trump versus kim, who left with more? >> certainly it seems that mr. kim is returning back to north korea having given away very little, having gotten the sensation, at least for a while, of these u.s. military exercises, which until yesterday the pentagon would have told you was at the core of building up and effective deterrent with the south korean forces. it's not clear how much of a denuclearization president trump actually got here. he may get a lot, maybe by building up trust first he will ultimately see kim jong-un do what his father and grandfather did not do. maybe he will actually take apart all of thi

president, david sanger for "the new york times." i was wondering if you could give us some sense of whether chairman kim told you how many nuclear weapons he believes he's made, whether he's willing to turn those over first, and then whether in your mind you need to do more than was done in the iran deal for actually dismantling both the uranium and plutonium processes and whether or not you had a sense that chairman kim really understood what that involves and had a timetable in his own mind of shedding that. >> i can tell you he understands. he understands it so well. he understands it better than the people that are doing the work for him. that is an easy one. as far as what he has, it's substantial. very substantial. the timing will go quickly. i believe you'll see some good action. i mean, as an example, one of the things with the missile set, you're probably surprised to hear that -- the missile site. but i believe that it's going to go quickly. i believe that it's going to go fast. and it is a very substantial arsenal, there'

and phil mudd and david sanger of "the new york times." david, justify from the president's perspective why you can cite national security concerns for imposing these tariffs on canadian imports into the united states. >> well, wolf, first just to set the scene of the next week, you could see from jim's report, it's more likely that the president is going to go into a friendlier welcome from kim jong-un when he gets to singapore than what he will have left in canada after this g7, which is in and of itself pretty remarkable. so the national security argument is being made for one reason and one reason only, that there is an exemption in the world trade organization's trading rules that you can do certain things to protect your national security. so they are twisting the definition of national security here. the only argument they can make for the steel and aluminum is that this undercuts the american industrial base. canada is not a big violator in that arena. previously, we've seen national security offered in trade cases, mostly involving

new york times national security correspondent david sanger looks at the rise of cyber weapons in the perfect weapon. in formerly known as food, kristin wallace reports on how industrial farming and mechanicals used processed food are changing our body and happy winston recalls his life in somalia in his path to citizenship in call me american. look for these files in bookstores this week and watch for many authors in the future on tv on c-span2. >>. [inuadible conversation] good evening.

. >> david sanger, paula newton, k you very much. coming up, top republicans break with the president over allegations that the fbi placed, according to the president, a spy in his campaign. how will trump reac to this? plus this candid comment. >> here's what i want to say. it wasn't mest hour. >> president bill clinton tag about that tense interview earlier this week on nbc news on the monica lewinsky scandal and the me-too movement. how he is cleaning it up coming up. join t-mobile. and get netflix inuded for the whole family. so you can get lost in space in your own backyard... or get pumped up for your grand entrance. only t-mobile lets you watch your favorite movies and shows in more places, without paying more. get an unlimited family plan with netflix on us. and right now at t-mobile, buy one samsung galaxy s9 and get one free. until her laptop her sacrashed this morning.eks, having it problems? ask on demand tech support to get for as little as $15 a month. this week get boise case paper for only $29.99 at office depot offic

joining me now, kaitlyn collins and cnn national security analyst, david sanger. we know what kim jong-un has been doing over the last several hours, how about the president and his advisers. >> reporter: president trump spendiis time differently than kim jong-un. he decided to stay behind closed doors as he puts the final touches on the sitdown with kim jong-un happening in just seven hours. we have not heard from the president since earlier today when he did say he believed that this meeting with kim jong-un was going to go very nicely about two different approaches from those leaders, both of them are going to be in the same room, one on one in a few hours here, and we know the logistics of what this day is going to look like, a one on one followed by a bilateral expanded meeting, and a working lunch between the two leaders and their delegations. president trump is going to hold a press conference with reporters to answer questions about whatever they discuss during that meeting. what we don't know is what's going to come out of that meeting. mike pompeo briefe

cnn national security analyst david sanger. and cnn presidential historian tim netali.s administration had no real plan for reunifying parents and kids, and now you've got a court order that says it has to happen within 20 days, is it realistic, is it going to happen for so many kids displaced across the country? >> that's a great question, fred and, you know, we only got the acknowledgement from the government for the first time yesterday about the court order. that was the first we heard from them. they basically said we're going to comply. but they offered no new information to us about how they're going to do it. and, you know, i actually went back and dug up -- there was a court hearing on may 4th in a family separations case that had already been going on. this was just a few days before they announced the zero tolerance policy. it turns out now we know one of those defendants was actually prosecuted under a pilot of this program. the judge asked the attorney for the government, will these parents be reunified or is it basically this black hole, judge called it, w

let me jump in and ask you about something i read in "the new york times" about david sanger, who hasing followieen fo a long time. he said rather than sticking to the demand that north korea disarm immediately, mr. trump opened the door to a prolonged freeze on the north's existing nuclear capability with vague declarations a disarmament will not. that is essentially the deal that president clinton embarked on in 1994. president trump talking about that meeting yesterday, john, in dramatically different terms he has in recent week. what do you make about what he said is what's on the table in particular? >> i think the key part here, as president trump mentioned in that press conference, it's about beginning a process. it's a beginning and the caveat that the goal of denuclearization would be an ultimate goal. a lot of qualifications and management of expectations. we're seeing the establishment of very unique relationships here. for kim yong chol, this senior adviser to kim jong un to meet directly with president trump i think is another step forward in building these really importa

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joining us is cnn national security analyst david sanger and john pk head of the korea working group at kennedy school of government. you wrote a fascinating article. >> he worked from the beginning here on the theory that kim jong-un is motivated by the desire for profit, for his country to become wealthy. very much the way donald trump thinks most other business partners that he has dealt with are motivated. i'm not sure that is right in the case of kim jong-un. he wants to rule north korea for a long time and that means you need a stable economy. he has most of the money in north korea. he knows the nuclear weapons are the one thing that make the world pay attention to him. if he didn't have nuclear weapons we wouldn't be here today. >> he has created legitimacy as all have since his grandfather. >> you just saw it with the picture of the motorcade. think about the past month. a leader who met almost no one met the leader of china twice and met president of south korea twice. he is about to go meet the president of the united states. he is taking off for a night on the town in sin

. >> david sanger with "the new york times." i wonder if you could give us some sense of chairman kim told you how many nuclear weapons he believes he has made and whether he is willing to turn those over first and then whether in your mind you need to do more an done in the iran deal for actually dismantling the uranium and plutonium processes and if you had a sense if chairman kim understood what that involves and a time sdtable in his mind shutting that? >> david, i can tell you he understands. he understands it so well. he understands it better than the people that were doing the work for him. that is an easy one. as far as what he has, it substantial. the timing will go quickly. as an example, one of the things with the missile site, you were surprised to hear that. that was a throw-in at the end. the missile site. i really believe, david, that it will go quickly and fast. it is a substantial arsenal. i used to say maybe it is all talk and no action. we have pretty good intelligence into that, although probably less than an

much joining me now cnn political and national security analyst and new york times correspondent david sanger and cnn chief national security correspondent jim sciutto here with me as well. david, the united states did suspend these joint exercises back in the '90s during one round of negotiations, but this time around you say it appears a little different. >> he didn't talk about every resuming them. maybe he would, but he didn't say we're temporarily doing this, we're doing this for 50 days, a few months while we're getting this together. and as it's clear from that statement that you just heard, he completely blind sided the south koreans. so, the way -- the president doesn't think in terms of alliances. he thinks in terms of transactions. and in this case, in order to get the transaction here which was a very vaguely worded statement, we'll come to that in a moment, he felt he needed to give something and what he gave was a set of exercises that the pentagon would tell you is the core of the military to military relationship with south korea. does that mean skipping one or two is going to

. >> brennan: we're joined by david sanger who has reported extensively on north korea he's also the a new book, "the perfect weapon: war, sabatoge and fear in the cyber age." about cyber warfare shaping a new age of global politics. david, so good to have you here. this has been an unusual round of diplomacy to use the term. even this latest wrinkle reviewing jared kushner had initial contact with someone in business who helps make a connection with the north koreans, but you yourself were on the ground in singapore, you asked the president for some details on what he agreed to. were you satisfied with the answer? >> we didn't get many answers. margaret, i commend the whole move by the president to go have a direct talk with kim jong-un. we've been trying one method for 35 years now to try to work from the bottom up and got no where. even agreements far more specific than what the president reached in singapore has been violated. but what i have been concerned about as i've watched this unfold is that the president got from kim jong-un, complete denuclearize, that is more than his f

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joining me now, new york times correspondent david sanger and elise hugh, the asia correspondent for npr. to see kim jong-un walking around like this, i don't know if he's trying to project confidence, i'm not sure if he is confident moving into this, but he really has already achieved a lot from this summit, even before it has begun. >> anderson, just think about where we are, the past couple of months, versus where we were a year or two ago. the only american we could find that would even talk to kim jong-un was dennis rodman. he had not met any foreign leaders, he hadn't gone to china, so forth. now he's met xi jinping twice. he's going to meet the president of the united states. and he's walking around like a tourist in the middle of singapore, you know in the evening, taking it in. you expected him to sort of go find a bar and, you know, find a singapore sling some place, right? he seemed pretty relaxed. so this is a different image that he's now projecting from hermit to i'm on stage like the rest of the folks, and if you're looking for legitimacy, he gets it the moment he meet

president, david sanger for "the new york times." >> on if you can get some sense as to whether chairman kim told you how many nuclear weapons you believe he's made, whether he is willing to turn those over first and then whether in your mind you need to do more than was done in the iran deal for actually dismantling both uranium and plutonium processes and whether or not you have a sense that chairman ken really understood what that involved and had a timetable in his own mind of shutting that. >> will david, i can tell you he understands. he understands it so well. he understands it better than the people doing the work for him. that is an easy one. as far as what he has is substantial. very substantial. the timing will go quickly. i believe you'll see some good action. as an example, one of the things that the missiles that come you're surprised to hear that. that was a thrilling at the end. but i really believe, david, that it's going to go quickly. i believe it's going to go fast and it's a very substantial arsenal. i used to say, maybe it's l talk and no action. but we have pretty

president, david sanger from the "new york times." i was wondering if you could give us some sense of whether the chairman kim told you how many nuclear weapons he believes he's made, whether he's willing to turn those over first and then whether in your mind you need to do more than was done in e iran deal for dismantling the -- both the uranium and plume p plutonium processes and whether or not you had a sense that chairman kim understand what that involved and had a timetable of shutting that. >> david, i can tell you he understands, he understands it so well, he understands it better than the people doing the work for him that is an easy one, as far as what he has, it's very substantial. the timeilling go quickly. i believe you'll see good action. as an example, one of the things with the missile side, you're probably surprised to hear that, that was a threw-in at the end but i believe it's going to go quickly. i believe it's going to go fast and it's a substantial arsenal. i used to say maybe it's all talk and no action. but we h

president, david sanger, new york times. i wonder if you could give us some sense of whether chairman kim told you how many nuclear weapons he has made and whether he is willing to turn those over first, and whether in your mind you need to do more than that was done in the iran deal for actually dismantling both the uranium and the plutonium process and whether you've had a sense that chairman kim understood what that involved and had a timetable in his own mind of showing that. pres. trump: i can tell you he understands. so well, heds it understands it better than the people doing the work for him. as far as what he has, it is substantial. the timing will go quickly. i believe you will see good action. as an example, one of the things with the missile site you will be surprised to hear that was a throw in at the end. i believe it will go quickly. i believe it will go fast and it is a substantial arsenal. maybe it is all talk and no action. we have pretty good intelligence into that, although probably less there than any ot

david sanger is national security correspondent for the new york times.pon, which examines the rise of cyber—warfare and its impact on global power. he joins us now to discuss it all. let's start with north korea, if we can. i know you are a supporter of the meeting we were both at, the summit in singapore two weeks ago. would you have liked to have seen more detailfrom the would you have liked to have seen more detail from the north would you have liked to have seen more detailfrom the north korean side thus far? what i said about the meeting itself was it was good that president trump tried to change the dynamic that has dominated this relationship fruitlessly for 35 yea rs relationship fruitlessly for 35 years and meet directly with the north korean leader. ifelt years and meet directly with the north korean leader. i felt that, years and meet directly with the north korean leader. ifelt that, if we could reach some kind of agreement, it could spread downward ina agreement, it could spread downward in a country like north korea, where all the decisions

she'll pick up the ball and continue the sanctions. >> david sanger, thank you.he book is "the perfect weapon: war, sabotage and fear in the cyberage." >>> coming up, democratic congressman jim himes explains why he opposes the two gop bills that could end the separation policy. and protect dreamers, he'll be on set. "morning joe" is coming right back. when did you see the sign? when i needed to create a better visitor experience. improve our workflow. attract new customers. that's when fastsigns recommended fleet graphics. yeah! now business is rolling in. get started at fastsigns.com. yeah! now business is rolling in. if yor crohn's symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn't worked well enough, it may be time for a change. ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohn's. entyvio works at the site of inflammation in the gi tract and is clinically proven to help many patients achieve both symptom relief and remission. infusion and serious allergic reactions can happen during or after treatment.

thet off, the analysis from front page of the new york times from david sanger.he headline, president of the pitch to kim yields val with few details. is nothing there president trump extracted from north korea leader kim jong-un in the summit meeting that his father and grandfather had not -- had given to previous american president. made clear, none of that really matters to him. instead, he is betting everything on the terrific relationship and very special bond that he said developed with the 34-year-old dictator. trump's seeming certainty that he can now view the future elimination of north korea's arsenal of atomic weapons the same way. he swatted away suggestions that the phrase complete denuclearization of the korean peninsula means something different in pyongyang than washington. president trump might prove this time is different. this is based on his conclusion that past presidents got it backwards. your thoughts on the historic summit. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. independents and all others, (202) 748-8002. ofs first

david sanger asked that question about how many nukes do they have really wanted him to quantify it he wouldn't give a number. he said substantial. the question is does he know answer and isn't saying it or -- because he said have they actually talked about it that's a real question, especially if you have to verify it >> of course it's a real question i have not seen u.s. when i did see them, there was always a range it wasn't know they have exactly 20 weapons >> there's always a range. one is too many. whether it's one or 50, you need -- one can't be used. >> but the reason why the question was so important f you're getting to a place where you can verify what's supposed to happen here, you need to know the number and the number they presented. >> and the real number >> that's what verification is all about. they may present a number. we may have our intelligence estimates. but if the process works, we will figure out -- maybe not with 100% certainty, but with a high percentage of certainty whe what they have >> joel, you made the point earlier this morning that this is not going to