let's bring in security analyst david sanger.for "the new york times." good to see you again. as alex referenced there, secretary blink ep said that he didn't expect any big break-throughs and the threshold was low. what are the big takeaways. >> i was struck by two things, victor. the first is that the two countries are still talking past each other. the united states wants to slow down the threat to ukraine and get those troops moved off the border. the russians see those troops as their leverage for a much broader agenda. which is to try to assure that ukraine but also other nations do not join nato. that their long-standing argument that the united states needed to withdraw troops and arms and even nuclear arms from newer nato states, former soviet states, that that has to be abided by as well. so we've got the united states trying to buy some time by talking about reinstituting some older agreements, about missiles, about exercises, while the russian are saying the big concerns aren't being addressed. >> so, david, are there

national security analyst and white house and national correspondent for the "new york times", david sangerwho of course we saw question the president yesterday at the news conference. david, let me start with you on that very point. because, as we just heard, from matthew chance, this was not received well in kiev. i was very surprised which the president said what he said about potentially having a minor incursion here, acknowledging that an invasion may be all but inevitable and talking about the fact that nato may not be united in response if that incursion was minor. what is your analysis of what we saw yesterday and how it will impact the border? >> kasie, i was surprised that he said it in in public. a gaffe in washington is a saying what's true in public is the saying. >> true. >> nato is not completely unified on these issues. they're unified about what happens if russia moves to seize all of ukraine back. as matthew suggested before, there are not many people who think that is putin's preferred way of doing this because he knows that that will result in an insurgency and he will b

this is biden responding to a question from david sanger of "the new york times." pres.en: i think he still does not want full-blown number one. number two, i think you will test the west? test united states and nato? yes, i think you will. but i think you will pay a serious and dear price for it if you does not think now it will cost of as long -- what it is going to cost them. i think you will regret having done it. i'm not so sure what is good to do. i guess he will. he has to -- by the way, the two things he said to me that he wants, one, ukraine will never be part of nato. two, nato -- there will not be strategic weapons staged in ukraine. we can work out something on the second piece. depending on what he does along the russian border under the european area of russia. >> your offering some way out here, some offramp. it sounds like what it is -- at least i knew the informal assurance, that nato is not going to take in ukraine anytime in the next few decades. and it sounds like you're saying we would never put nuclear weapons there. he also wants us to move all of

so let's discuss with cnn political and national security analyst david sanger. he is a white house and national security correspondent for the "new york times" and author of "the perfect weapon." always great to have you with us. >> great to be with you, rosemary. >> so u.s. senators will be briefed thursday on the russia-ukraine crisis. and then on monday the u.n. security council will take up this critical matter. what do you expect will be accomplished other than just putting this crisis on the record? >> not much. i mean, the security council of course has russia as a permanent member. you've got the chinese, who are not -- not really declared where they are in this crisis. so the only utility of the security council meeting is for the u.s. and other members of the security council including britain to present some of their intelligence, explain the threatening nature of what's being arrayed around the border in ukraine, charge the russians with intimidation, and leave. i mean, there's nothing at this point the security council is going to be able to do, esp

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. >>> earlier i spoke with cnn and political analyst david sanger about the crisis. asked him whether he agrees with assessment that a russian invasion is imminent, or if he thinks as some have suggested, that this is all a dramatic way for russia to get western attention. >> it is very possible that putin is doing on a much larger scale right now something he's done on a smaller scale before. he has been known to a mass troops. he did it in april, but nowhere near on this scale. so, what makes this different? first of all, if you put 100, some would say the number is closer to 130,000 out there, he's got to come home with something before he with draws them, or there will be a huge loss of face. so, one question is has he cornered himself at this point? you know, bob gates, the former defense secretary and c.i.a. chief, wrote a column in the f.t. last week. he made the point when you unsheathe the sword like this, you can do anything but sit on it. and so he's either going to have to invade or he's going to have to pull them back. i think the second interesting poss

let's discuss with david sanger. hite house and national security correspondent for "the new york times" and the author of "the perfect weapon." david, thanks for being with us this morning. so far there are no tangible public signs of a deescalation by russia, so without capitulating to all of vladimir putin's demands at this point, is an invasion of ukraine inevitable? >> good morning. i don't think it's inevitable, but i do think that the evidence would suggest that it is likely. there have been moments where we have seen the russians at least sound deescalatory. we have heard the foreign minister, foreign minister lavrov, say we have no plan to invade. the account that donie just gave us suggests that the russians are trying their best not to go anger some of the european allies. i'm not sure that's necessarily an indication of what would happen far away from the irish coast in ukraine, but it's a good sign. so i think the russians are feeling a little bit of pressure here that comes from the u.s. and the united k

i think if you looked at his anxious to david sanger, he was very blunt about what's going to happeninvade, saying it is something putin will regret, pay a dear price for. that is stark language from president biden. >> he said he maybe will learn not to be a president's senator. what do you think that means going forward? >> that was at the tail end of the press conference. this was in effect breaking up with the senate. this is a guy who spent 36 years in that body, believed that it could be that he hoped it might be. it is mentioned with irony more than anything else. he spent hours and hours trying to get people to do pwhaepted. a reference to manchin and sinema. he felt he wasted some time. he understood black voters who felt they wanted to see him more out in the community. he talked about the white house recently as a guilded cage. they all feel they are being confined in washington but acutely this is the moment to say, fine, if the senate, the place that i loved isn't going to be able to do what we need and what i want, i have to go directly to the people. you are beginning

ok, david sanger, new york times. >> thank you, mr. president. wanted to follow-up on your answer there about russia and you rain. when you were in geneva in june, you said to us about vladimir putin that i think the last thing he wants now is a cold war. since then of course you have seen him gather these troops around ukraine. the secretary of state said today that he thought he could invade at any moment. you have seen the cyberattacks and seen the demand that he have a sphere of influence in which she would withdraw all american troops and nuclear weapons from what used to be the soviet bloc. i'm wondering if you still think that the last thing he wants is a cold war. has your view of him changed in the past few months? if it has and he does invade, which are' to move back to the kind of containment policy that you saw so often when you were still in the senate? >> the answer is i still don't think he wants a full-blown war. number two, do i think you will test the west? test the united states and nato? as significantly as he can? yes, i thin

not, i have seen like of this weapons of mass destruction in iraq and some of the same people, david sanger over the new york times, for example, who was judy miller, was the prime culprit, or this channel about weapons of mass destruction. so the media is not yet with it, whether the me will come around and do what i think blinking and biting are trying to do that is satisfied with the russian desire to be accepted as it equal to be taken seriously to have what the terms are spect ok respect there was the germans say that it means a lot more than just or the english thing. respect. that's what the navy commander said and got canned for this last going on. the alliance of falling boards, the germans, to all important cog of the alliance is a, the germans are making clear that they're not going to be treated like vessels anymore. if you brits want to fly arms and so you can, you better find some of the route go around, you know, go around and so, so a lot of things are happening. but hopefully by friday we will know what the u. s. written responses, the business about progress to now, you kn

. >>> joining me now to discuss all of this, cnn political and national security analyst david sangerty correspondent for the "new york times." do you think president biden should proceed? a lot of talk but at a certain point it won't be enough. >> that's certainly right. some doubt within the administration about whether the tough talk and the threat of sanctions is going to be enough to deter him. they're stuck in a sort of odd place here, one of putin's major demands is that ukraine never join nato. never is a long time, but ukraine isn't joining nato any time soon. so it sounds like there could be some room there. and another big demand is working out something to keep american nuclear weapons at some distance. that's what we had in the past treaties as possibly you could imagine that being renegotiated. >> david, at the same time we saw this rare show of strength for the u.s. in the indoe pacific region. carrying 20 ballistic missiles and dozens of nuclear warheads. what message are they trying to send with a showing of strength? >> well, you know, our nuclear submarine patrolled

joining me in the meantime, david sanger, national security correspondent for the "new york times," of course. we talked about diplomacy living to fight another day after the meetings we were seeing and this week, it seems in a very different place with nato ships and troops moving into the region and let me play now the warning from tony blinken and once again, the warning from the uk prime minister. >> if a single additional russian force goes into ukraine in an aggressive way, as i said, that would trigger a swift, a severe and united response from us and from europe. >> we also need to get over the message that invading ukraine, from a russian perspective, is going to be a painful, violent and bloody business. and i think it's very important to people in russia to understand this could be a new che chechnya. >> you have reporting of the uk intel on a russian plot going further into ukraine. i mean, is this getting hotter rather than cooling off? >> it certainly is getting hotter, kate, and i think it's fair to say that we are probably closer now than we've been in many decades to a

intel reports on a bail basis -- on a daily basis every morning and read "the new york times" and david sanger afterward to see how they were covering what i knew to be reality. i have to say i was a bit -- i guess the one significant exception i would make here is the -- a highly disruptive cyber attack on u.s. critical infrastructure by a state or state supported group is in the likely hood moderate impact high category. i would put that in the likelihood high category. i believe that cyber threats and cyber attacks on our critical infrastructure are here. i think the likelihood is high. i think that the potential impact of such an attack is high. best example is the attack on colonial pipeline several months ago. i gave a whole speech on this several weeks ago on cyber attacks on critical infrastructure. in my judgment cyber space is the 21st century battleground. and covert actors are giving -- replacing conventional actors and cyber attacks are replacing ken nettic attacks in my judgment. if it were up to me only, i would put cyber attacks on critical infrastructure like the defense indus

let's discuss with cnn political and national security analyst david sanger, a white house and nationality correspondent for "the new york times" as well. food to see you, david. thank you for appearing tonight. ukrainian official told cnn that biden's comments gives the green light to putin to enter ukraine at his pleasure. this was a gaffe? what are the implications? do you grief it was a gaffe and what are the implications here? >> thanks for having me on, don. this was in response to a question that i had asked the president about whether or not he believes that the united states and russia were headed back into a sort of new form of cold war, because six months ago in geneva when he met president putin he said he didn't believe so. what he said in the run up to this was he didn't believe that we -- that russia was interested in that full-scale war. and then he basically laid out the options that he has heard in briefings, and he laid them out accurately, which is that if russia does a smaller invasion in the eastern part of the country, the russian-speaking part, it might be hard t

i'm joined by one of the reporters on that story, david sanger. great to see you. you hear the word sanctions. we've seen u.s. administrations do this time and again with putin, hoping for some kind of you know, response in the nature of healing, you know and cooling his heels to some extent, but doesn't always seem to work out. what are you reporting at this point? >> well, it doesn't always work out. you remember the united states put sanctions on russia after it seized crimea in 2014 and began to support an uprising in parts of the eastern part of the country. we put sanctions again on russia for the election interference in 2016 and then again last year for the solar wind cyber attack. and as you know from your time at the white house and i certainly seen, no one really thinks that has been a deterrent. so they're trying something different this time. they're telegraphing ahead of any invasion what the penalties would be. some are familiar. trying to cut off the biggest banks from being able to deal with financial transactions on international markets, but some

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david sanger, thank you very much, as always, for your great reporting. appreciate it. >> every day matters here. every day bears watching along that border. we simply don't know what is going to happen. >>> meantime, here in the united states, tensions high across the country as parents, teachers, and politicians debate whether students should return to in-person learning in the midst of a global pandemic. actually, that debate is over, as almost every student is back in person. the issue, and this was encapsulated in a story in the "new york" magazine, jonathan writes that he feels that democrats should apologize for the fact that schools were closed at all last year and the year before. he thinks this was a giant mistake. progressive, as he put it, should come to terms with that fact. joining us now is angie schmidt, a parent and author of a piece in the "atlantic," arguing for a return to in-person instruction. donna is the president of the american federation of teachers in new jersey. first, angie, i want to go to you. what provoked this discussion

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department, now an abc news analyst, michel martin, weekend host of npr's "all things considered" and david sanger" white house and national security correspondent. welcome to all of you and, donna, i want to start with you. unity, unity, unity, that is what joe biden talked about in his inaugural address just over a year ago. that is not what he has gotten and this week it's clear he's changing course. >> there's no question that what the president called for last year is something that we should all aspire to, we want to be a united country, especially now given the threats that we see abroad. he also said that he wanted to reach out. he has tried and, of course, we got the result is the bipartisan infrastructure bill. but this is an opportunity for all americans to really rally behind the president as we try to get this virus under control, keep this economy growing, keep our schools re-opened. look, i think the president has a lot to brag about, yes, i say brag because for the first time in my lifetime we have a preident who is going to eliminate lead pipes, a president that is going to ensure

. >> well, i think if you look through the "times" story written by david sanger, who we will speak to later on in the program, as well, it sets up this idea that vladimir putin may not yet know exactly what he wants to do, kind of seeing how it plays out. clearly, they are setting the stage for something very, very prok provo provocative. they've already said diplomacy has failed. they're waiting on the letter potentially going back and forth between putin and the white house. the long-term goal seems to be to break the spine of nato, what putin is looking for here. it seems he is going far to get it. >> they've created an environment of danger, anything can happen. >> yeah. >>> this morning, senate democrats begin the formal floor process of trying to pass voting rights legislation. a centerpiece of president biden's agenda. unless there was some secret development in the last few minutes, this is not going to pass. this is not going to pass. but they are going through the motions. first, in a few hours, debate begins on legislation that combines two bills already passed by the house

. >> you know, this new reporting out from "the new york times," david sanger and michael schwartz that russia has been thinning out its embassy staff in kyiv, you read that and, you know, the kremlin denies it. but it's seen as a sign of something, but it doesn't seem to be clear what the sign is. propaganda, preparation, both? what do you think? >> kate i think both. i think we have seen several steps, kind of the playbook that the russians have used. they've used hacks. they've used cyberattacks. information warfare. they are planting russian special forces inside ukraine, and those russian special forces will attack russian-led forces in donbas. then they'll say it's the ukrainians attacking russian forces there and that will be the justification for an attack. they are trading to the world they are moving their people from the embassy in kyiv or consulates. this is just part of the attempt, again, to bully, to intimidate, the west into giving them what they want. this is part of the standard playbook. >> what we don't know is if it's going to be a standard conclusion and what that'

david sanger, "new york times." >> thank you, mr. president. i wanted to follow up on your answer there about russia and ukraine. when you were in geneva in june, you said to us about president putin, i think the last thing he wants now is a cold war. since then, of course, you've seen him gather these troops, 100,000 troops around ukraine. the secretary of state said today he thought he could invade at any moment. you've seen the cyberattacks. and you've seen the demand that he have a sphere of influence in which you would withdraw all american troops and nuclear weapons from what used to be the soviet bloc. so i'm wondering if you still think that the last thing he wants is a cold war and has your view of him changed in the past few months? and if it has, and he does invade, would your posture be to really move back to the kind of containment policy that you saw so often when you were still in the senate? >> the answer is that -- i think he still does not want any full-blown war, number one. number two, do i think he'll test the west? test th

david sanger, new york times. cripes thank you, i wanted to follow-up on your answer about russia and ukraine. when you were in geneva in june, you said there was -- you said that i think the last thing he wants is a cold war. since then, you have seen him gather these trips, 100,000 troops around ukraine. if he does invade, will your posture be to move back to the kind of containment policy you saw when you were still in the senate? >> i think he still does not want any full-blown war. do i think he will test the west russian mark yes. i think he will. i think he will pay a serious and dear price for it. he does not think now it will cost and what it is going to cost him. i think he will regret having done it. how can i say this in a public forum? i think that he is dealing with what he things is the most tragic thing that has happened to mother russia. the soviet union has been split but thick about what he has. a situation where he has -- but he is trying to find his place in the world between china and the wes

and david sanger responds by trying to give him a better answer.well, you both made the point and underline what miranda had to say. if republicans do take back congress and they don't turn their attention to this, there will be a different kind of accountability necessary. >> amen, brother. will: this should become a major story in government and the media through the back half of this year. this was an awesome conversation. i really enjoyed having you both. miranda devine, charlie hurt, thank you for your time this morning. >> great seeing you. will: all right. let's go over to joey now who has got some headlines for us. joey: a vigil in the face of horrifying violence. dozens of people come together in the bronx to mark the birthday of a 1-year-old girl who was shot in the face wednesday by a stray bullet. the toddler identified only as catherine spent her birthday recovering from brain surgery but she is expected to survive. mayor eric adams spoke at the vigil. let's watch. >> we want to stop what's on the street and [bleep] we want to stop thi

david sanger, "new york times." reporter: thank you, mr. president. i want to follow up on your answer there about russia and ukraine. when you were in geneva in june, you said to us, about president putin, i think the last thing he wants now is a cold war. since then, of course, you've seen him gather these troops, 100,000 troops around ukraine. secretary of state said today he thought he could invade at any moment. you've seen the cyber attacks. and you've seen the demand that he have a sphere of influence in which you would withdraw all american troops and nuclear weapons from what used on the soviet block. i'm wound forget you still think the last thing he wants is a cold war? and has your view of him changed in the past few months? and if it has, and he does invade, would your posture be to move back to the kind of containment policy that you saw so often when you were still in the senate? president biden: the answer is that i think he still does not want any full-blown war, you were in one. number two, do i think he'll test the west? test the un

okay david sanger, "new york times. >> thank you, mr. president.d to follow up on your answer there about russia and ukraine. when you were in geneva in june, you said to us about president putin, i think the last thing he wants now is a cold war. now, since then, of course, you've seen him gather these troops, 100,000 troops around ukraine. your secretary of state said today he thought he could invade at any moment. you've seen the cyberattacks, and you've seen the demand they have a sphere of influence in which you would withdraw all american troops and nuclear weapons from what used to be the soviet bloc. so i'm wondering if you still think that the last thing he wants is a cold war. and has your view of him changed in the past few months and if it has and he does invade, would your posture be to really move back to the kind of containment policy that you saw so often when you were still in the senate >> the answer is that i think he still does not want any full-blown war, number one number two, do i think he'll test the west, test the united st

david sanger writing this analysis piece in "new york times," saying -- host: the analysis piece fromthe new york times" this morning. your turn to tell washington what you think should be done about russia. john, bridgewater, new jersey, good morning. what you think? what should the u.s. do? caller: russia has the upper hand, they have more at stake than we do. i predict that they will invade and the west will do nothing about it militarily because we are not in the position that we used to be. we are afraid to have any losses and this is russian territory. a lot of people don't understand this. you know? it's almost like, you know, if they were on the mexican border putting nuclear weapons. it's the same thing to them. i'm not saying who is right or wrong. you don't take sides, but it just seems inevitably to me that vladimir putin isn't backing down and is going to continue to move forward. host: do you think the u.s. should respond with military force? caller: no. no. it's not our sphere of influence anymore. the world has changed since 45. we have to acknowledge that there are ot