had announced to me secretly the first inductees were going to be william paley who started cbs, david sarnoff, the greatest of the foreign correspondents pagddy chaefsky conditioned milton berle and me she said to me, listen, if that's what they want to do, who am i to say? that's my mother. that should tell you everything. >> "all in the family" for a moment. i'm a little younger. >> are you? >> i didn't see the originals, but i loved the show. i remember the ing episode where archie bunker repeatedly used the word fag. why use that word so many times in one episode? >> came from the fact that that was the word that one would hear in the schoolyard, around the subway, you didn't have to know the people who were talking if they passed you in the street and you might hear the word. so it wasn't like we were reaching for something. it was the culture and the vocabulary. and we used them. >> did that show open a conversation and a dialogue in this country that hadn't happened before? >> you know what i've learned? every episode for people opened the conversation. because i go through life hearin