kaufman tells david shafer it is imperative mr. shafer carry out that fake elector meeting. ote, david, i'm reconfirming the importance and our collective advice that our slate of delegates -- again, the fake electors -- they meet and cast their ballots for president trump. i believe this is still the most conservative course of action. that's in case you missed it team trump offering its collective advice the fake electors meet and cast their ballots for donald trump on december 14th, and the lawyers add if the fake electors plot was somehow used in nefarious fashion to i don't know try and steal an election, well then mr. shafer had no idea about any of that. media reports have suggested certain high level members of the then president trump's legal team including john eastman and rudy giuliani may have developed subsequent plans to attempt to persuade vice president pence to count these contingent presidential electoral votes, fake elector votes, as the valid electoral votes. mr. shafer was not involved in and had no such knowledge of any such plans. mr. shafer was not inv