david silverberg, what do we get for that money overall?st: the get a much more secure border than we had in 2001. you have much better monitoring of who is coming across the u.s. border. you have more obstacles to illegal migration of. these are all things that is supposed to make the border more secure. host: rate the various departments down for us. what specifically does customs and border protection to do? guest: it is the u.s. border patrol. they are actually on the front lines working, making sure the people coming across illegally and, stopping contraband, customs and border protection is also a broader thing. they run the predator drone surveillance. you have immigration and customs enforcement, ice. they look the people here in the united states and they incorporated the old immigration and naturalization service and the also enforce customs regulation making sure we do not have contraband, counterfeit goods, that sort of thing. it also has to be noted. customs and border protection, part of the department of homeland security, is

host: david silverberg, founder and editor of "homeland security today." thank you. that is it for "washington journal." we will see you then. c-spa [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> coming up today on c-span, lisa and rakowski from alaska, the ranking member of the natural resources committee will hold a conference on capitol hill to talk about energy priorities. she will also take questions from reporters. she outlined her plan at the annual meeting of the national association of regulatory utility commissioners. here is a bit of what she had to said. >> in our report, we declare five principals in addition to energy -- i am trying to make this release symbol for everybody for the morning fog of monday. energy is good and then there are five principles. it is in our national interest to make energy abundant, affordable, colleen, diverse, and secure. i have even put them in alphabetical order for ease of memory. [laughter] no acronyms this morning, alphabetical is good. let's talk abou

so it's pretty complex, and it's very dynamic. >> host: to calls for, i guess, david silverberg of homeland security, he's the founding editor. this is ron on the independent line. go ahead. >> caller: yes. i had a question about the contraband that comes from the u.s. down, and how do they get the guns across from fast and furious? were the border agents told to let these guys on or how did that work? >> guest: well, with fast and furious, the questions about it not the border control, but the atf, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives allowed a certain number of guns, about 2,000 from what i understand, to go into mexico so that they could trace these guns. and the problem was that they lost track of some of these guns, and one of these guns was used to kill a u.s. border patrol agent which in a terrible, terrible way showed the success of fast and furious. and it proved that this smuggling of guns was not only being used to subvert the mexican government and the forces of law and order there, it was coming back to the united states and subverting our own law enforcement

and david silverberg and the ongoing debate about border patrol and immigration. that is tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern, 4:00 a.m. pacific. thank you for being with us this sunday. enjoy the rest of your weekend. have a great week ahead. c- [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] next, "newsmakers" with iowa senator chuck grassley. then president obama talks about immigration policy and then a hearing on possible changes to gun laws. >> this week bonn "newsmakers" we are joined by senator charles grassley use the top ranking republican on the judiciary committee. thank you for being a part o "newsmakers"." we have two congressional reporters joining us. david has the first question. clyde's the hearings last week on gun-control, it did they change anything? did they change the nature of the debate? the debate?