back with me now mary schiavo, miles o'brien and david soucie.n marks, you've been through a very similar disaster, france 447. took them two years to find the black box in that case. you won lots of money for the families there. before i get your reaction to this development today, i want to play you a clip from my earlier interview with steven wang whose mother was on board when i put to him whether it would be helpful this $5,000 offer that's been made to families so far. this is what he said. >> most of the families, okay, some of the families may need some money for emergency use. but most of the families, they don't care about how much money you give us. we just want the truth and we just want our relatives back. >> steve wang there clearly, he cares more about getting his mother back. i'm sure every family would say that right now. but how important in your experience is the financial and legal aspect when this kind of tragedy happens? >> well, the financial aspects of the case come over time. what the families really need at this point ar

david soucie, as well., we'll take a closer look at this new analysis of the data that suggests the plane was going much faster before it drops off radar and what that might mean. and for three weeks, families of the people on board have been asking what happened to their loved ones. i'll speak with a grief counselor and the latest on the landslide in washington. benefiber is clear, taste-free and dissolves completely. and unlike other fibers, you'll only know you're taking fiber by the way good digestive health makes you look& and feel. benefiber. clearly healthy. we still run into problems. that's why liberty mutual insurance offers accident forgiveness if you qualify, and new car replacement, standard with our auto policies. so call liberty mutual at... today. and if you switch, you could save up to $423. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? >>> at least one ship has arrived in the new search zone looking for any wreckage of flight 370. australian authorities say the latest analy

david soucie, cnn safety analyst, author of "why planes crash." cnn aviation correspondent richard quest, meteorologist chad myers, former department of transportation inspector general mary schiavo. private pilot miles o'brien. david soucie, the fact that basically i think five or six out of the ten planes searching has spotted some items in the water in this new search area, what does that tell you? >> makes me cautiously optimistic. hopefully that ship -- the ship being out there is more encouraging. at that point they'll be able to see what it truly is. >> richard, you think this debris area does seem more promising? >> yes. because you're looking for not just one piece, you're looking for several pieces. and when you and i were talking last night, even while the australians were announcing the change in the zone, they said four planes were already overhead and five of them have found objects today. now, we thought that the thai 300 and japan ten pieces. so you're right to have optimism. or you're justified in having optimism provided you're i

david soucie, first to you. richard quest walked off the set, walked right back on a few moments ago and handed me this. it is a report from the faa. and just rough gauge here. it notes there have been 141 air incidents since 1991 involving batteries. batteries being carried as cargo. they range in all sorts of significance, not to suggest they have all been lethal, but here we are with the suggestion yes, indeed, there were lithium batteries in the cargo hold. explain why this is not, perhaps, unusual, and why perhaps it could have been unusual. >> well, the important word in there is incident, not accident. incident can go ahead and be -- there's plenty of suppression, fire suppression, a lot of safety mechanisms that go into those 191 issues that did mitigate the issue. so to think that tying this into this aircraft now -- the ones that have the accidents that have been caused by battery fires or any kind of cargo fire have resulted in significant damage to the aircraft, structural damage to the aircraft and

i want to bring in david soucie, formerly faa investigator, author of the book "why planes crash." just in terms of what we should be looking for and what investigators will be doing for the next several hours, how do you see this playing out? we know sflieatellites were redirected. we know there's a poseidon aircraft on the scene. we know there's an australian destroyer on the way. we know there are four other aircraft, australian aircraft, new zealand aircraft heading toward the region if not already there. how does this -- how does this play out? >> the investigators are facing a critical junctionture at this point because the first thing they want to do is identify positively whether this is debris from the aircraft or not. if they're able to do that from the air, using the orions, using the satellite images, whatever it might take, trying to get as low as they can to identify this aircraft, if they identify that it is indeed that aircraft, then that's going to take them in a little different direction than if they don't. because if they can't identify it directly they may have

and cnn's safety analyst and aviation accident investigator, david soucie. david, first to you. are we making much ado about nothing in the fact that for three-and-a-half weeks we have been thinking the last spoken words were "all right, good night" and apparently they weren't. >> if that's the information we had in the first place, it would be about nothing. but the fact that it came out as something and then changed to something that's more normal, that's more what you would hear in an international flight, a little more structured, more along the lines of what should be said. but the fact that it was something different first and we spent all this time trying to figure that out and now that it's something that makes more sense, it gives me concern about this information. >> lieutenant kay, look at that. "good night malaysian 370," that does sound very official, sounds like it should be the last words spoken instead of "all right, good night." i always thought it was odd. but again, semantics, does it matter at this point? >> i think 370 is the identifier. you've got to tag th

so they have a better likelihood of finding it. >> david soucie, appreciate it. well. for more go to cnn.com. >>> up next an incredibly story of the woman who survived the deadly landslide in washington state in her home. listen. >> it hit so fast that went down. we were underwater and mud. i just remember thinking, okay, creator, if this is it i might as well relax. and i just let myself go limp. >> she was buried in mud in her home. her home swept away a quarter of a mile. she was riding it out under just incredible. also a child stuck in the mud after landslide destroyed his family's home. amazing rescue ahead. so you can have a getaway from what you know. so you can be surprised by what you don't. get two times the points on travel and dining at restaurants from chase sapphire preferred. so you can taste something that wakes up your soul. chase sapphire preferred. so you can. live in the same communities that we serve. people here know that our operations have an impact locally. we're using more natural gas vehicles than ever before. the trucks are reliable,

back with me mary schiavo, miles o'brien and david soucie. we've had a lot of images in the last week or so. these do seem to be the most significant given the volume, 120 of them, a fact that many were quite shiny and so on. what did you read into the details that you've seen? >> what i read into thesis if again -- this is all if they can find an item that these are the plane. so assuming they are wreckage from flight 370, these satellite images just became our biggest clues. because we have multiple images from multiple days from multiple countries. if the resolution that they have can be shared, even if it's not public knowledge and we can identify them as the exact same pieces, we now have data to plug into a drift model to follow it back. >> what people say to me is, if there's all these satellite images everywhere, from the chinese, the australians, the french now, why can't we just go and get them? what is the explanation for that? >> it's a big ocean and they're moving parts, 30, 40-foot seas and wind. they get out there and find them

. >> jim chusciutto, appreciate i >>> david souci is here author of "why planes crash." les abend is back. mary schiavo. and david gallo co-leader of the search for air france flight 447. he's director of special projects at the ocean graphic institution. david, what do you make of the debris that we have seen so far, david souci, i mean the size of it. ones vees obviously the images getting are not very precise. >> if the satellite's going to be over the top it will be clear rather than oblique angle. when they talk about repositioning the satellites that gives you a better picture of it. as far as the debris goes, i ha hesitations about it. i can't get it out of my mind, the dimension, 80 feet is the size of a shipping container. they come in 20, 40 and 80-foot lengths. i can't get it out of my mind that shadow of doubt. >> this is also the part of world where ships wreck, where containers fall over because of bad weather. it would not be totally uncommon to have a shipping container in the water. >> not only that but that channel where those two convergences come toget

david souci, author of "why planes crash." les abend a retired pilot and cnn analyst. and david gallo and mary schiavo. les let's start with you. the transcript of the 54 minutes you have in front of you. does anything jump out at you? again there is some language issue but you have to consider it was translated from english to mandarin to english. >> right. and it's a very abridged version. you don't get all the transmissions to other aircraft in between. so terminology we use is situational apairness. there's a lot of things deleted or left out. the translation like you mentioned, anderson, it's difficult even clearances that normally would be responded to in a standard way aren't translated properly. >> and this final communication that some people have focused on, the casualness of it, which we'll put on the screen, is that common? that kind of casual language? >> well, yeah. it's nonstandard, but that frequency is probably used all the time. and the controllers know that the pilots know and vice versa. >> so technically, we're seeing it on the screen here all right

david souci is here, les abend, david gallo, now the director of special projects at the oceanographic institution. mary schiavo is here, representing accident victims and their families. les, the transcript of these communications, the 54 minutes, does anything jump out at you? again, there is some language issues, but you have to consider it was translated from english to mandarin to english. >> right. and it's a very abridged version. you don't get all the transmissions to other aircraft in between. so terminology we use is situational awareness. there's a lot of things deleted or left out. the translation, like you mentioned, anderson, it's difficult even clearances that normally would be responded to in a standard way aren't translated properly. >> this final communication that some people have focused on, the casualness of it, does that -- is that common? does that count as casual language? >> well, yeah, it's nonstandard. but that frequency is probably used all the time and the controllers know that the pilots know and vice versa. >> so technically, the co-pilot should have rere

joining me david soucie, former faa safety inspectrd and author of "why planes crash."bend, cnn aviation spgsist and miles o'brien, let me go to you, david soucie, we've talked every day seems like forever about this. are we any nearer do you think solving this mystery tonight? >> what i'm gleaning from this event of going to the new location, the team is finally starting to accept that they don't know everything. you don't know what you don't know until you know you didn't know it. it's a circular objective to try to figure out how to find out what it is that's real and what's not. so when i see now that they've made a conclusive change in the search location to this new search location and given up on the other it means they're getting confident about how their team's working together and the information they have. >> miles o'brien, it seemed to be a very dramatic moment last night when we were on air just debating the previous search say the. suddenly everything moved and they seem to have gone lock stock and barrel up now 700 miles north. is it rather than being hop

see david soucie, it's fascinating this. although we don't have a lot of facts, actually we're starting to get enough where experienced pilots and aviation experts can almost start to rule things out. because it doesn't make any sense >> yes. well, if we just look at the facts that i'm accepting with a good reliability rate, something that i can say yeah, that feels right to me, it feels good to me. we know that the 107 attempt for the acars was normal. i'm not convinced that the transponders were turned off. i think it's possible they just didn't receive the request to send the information that far away from the radar station. so let's take that off the table for just a second. now the aircraft drops to 12,000 feet and makes a turn. the only airport i can see it may have been attempting to get to which would make sense is paneng. a maintenance base for malaysia air. a place where if i had a problem with an aircraft that's where i would head. >> let me ask you again a layman question. if that is what they were doing, why wou

also still with me is safety analyst david soucie.e're going to zero in on this, tom. 2800 miles from where this plane took off. before we even get to the point of why on earth the plane would be out there, take me to that area and show me what we're looking at. >> well, what we're looking at right now really is a high seas race to get more assets to that area. the bulk of all the search fleet out there, airplanes and ships, are moving down into what was the southern arc here which the u.s. officials have said all along they thought was the main place. and to that specific location because of these pictures. you were looking at them a minute ago and it is very easy to take a look at these satellite images and say, boy, there's really not much there. but one of our producers just had confirmed a short while ago that these are from an american company called digital globe. they've been supplying some satellite images to the search teams down there. so the australians are getting these from digital globe. this doesn't look like much, but

david souci joins now. les abend, a cnn aviation analyst. mary schiavo and david gallo, so leader of the search for air france 447, director of special projects. and jeff beatty is a former fbi/cia intel support officer with years of experience. good to have you here this evening, as well. you see that large object, as much as 79 feet long, could that be an actual piece of the aircraft? >> yeah, absolutely. and to me, that looks like it could be the wing because it's much too big to be the vertical stabilizer as in the previous accidents of american 587 and then air france 447. it's possible, if it's a 78-foot piece, it's a wing. >> given the resolution isn't clear, there are those who said it could be several pieces that are tied together or strung together. >> of course. i'm saying it's the wing by virtue of the fact that it's got empty cavities and the center tank fuel probably was not filled up. >> david, there is reason to be skeptical about all this, given the rough nature of the ocean in this area. could a piece this big be there after

. >> david soucie, what do you think of this theory?>> i think it's highly possible to do that, in fact it's been done before. they reported this morning on cnn that it has been done before and we've got people researching to find out specifically when that was and what flight it was. but in order to do that, you would, as your previous guest mentioned, you'd have to have extremely good pilot skills and you'd have to know what type of radar is looking at you to know how close you'd have to be. but i'm not underestimating any of this. i do think that there's foul play here. i'm not underestimating what it would take to have the systems knowledge to do what they have done. this is highly planned, it's highly skilled people trying to put this together. i don't see any other way it would. so i'm not underestimating the capabilities of whoever is pulling this off. >> are there levels of trust in terms of radar in these countries, you know, in terms of sophistication? we think everything is cutting edge, but there's some pre-soviet era radar

back with me phillip balm, david soucie, mary schiavo and david funk. plane was going a lot faster than previously estimated resulting in increased fuel usage, reducing the distance aircraft traveled south into the indian ocean by 680 miles. they seem to now be honing in from new information they've clearly received which they are taking very seriously to a much more specific area. >> well, if you remember where those pings were, they were mapping those pings based on an assumption. we were talking before about coming to a conclusion and making the facts fit. if they had not assumed that speed they would have had this information before. but that's good they've adjusted it and now we're there. >> miles o'brien, let's just clarify again will. if the aircraft was traveling faster than previously estimated resulting in increased fuel usage, tell me what that means in terms of how high the plane was likely to have been flying. >> there's kind of an equation here. what's missing from this report is whatever radar data they might have had about altitude -- th

david souci, thank you for your insight. john lucic, as well. richard quest, stick around if you will. more questions than answers for pretty much anyone involved in this now mystery. how did both communication systems on board that plane get turned off during this flight, especially within this time line? we're going to take you inside a boeing 777 simulator, talk with a pilot who knows that plane like few others know that plane. and by the way, did you know you can reach the belly of the plane from the cabin? i didn't either. going to tell you what that's about in a moment. [ coughs, sneezes ] i have a big meeting when we land, but i am so stuffed up, i can't rest. [ male announcer ] nyquil cold and flu liquid gels don't unstuff your nose. they don't? alka seltzer plus night fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a decongestant. [ inhales deeply ] oh. what a relief it is. their type 2 diabetes... ...with non-insulin victoza. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar, but it didn't get me to my goal. so i asked my doctor about victo

. >> let me go to david souci. you also are shaking your head. tell me why? >> dr., iko annex 13 when there's an aircraft accident, the manufacturers, the avionics manufacturers, everybody to do with that aircraft they're obligated by annex 13 not to report to the public but to the civil authority in charge of that accident. they cannot release their names, any information we have now is probably being ill-gotten. because of the fact it's not really -- they can't report that information. >> let me ask you, david souci. you're very experienced in this field. but nobody however experienced can really fathom what has gone on here. what do you think is the most likely of all the theories you've heard? >> well, to talk about prohib probability of likelihood, let's assume that the pings, and i'm referring to the ping as like an internet protocol ping when you are verifying an ip address you send a ping out to see if you have a response. that's what i'm referring to when i say ping from the acars system. because it has to communicate, send that ping out and get the reinfor

thank you, captain darby and david soucie and christine dennison, thank you to you as well. tom foreman will take us on a virtual tour of this area, of the indian ocean where the search is focused and we will learn more about the currents and what might actually be happening with 122 pieces three days later. >>> we also have another developing story that we're following for you. a huge and deadly mudslide in washington state. images for you now that are just heart-rendering shows how big and devastating this mudslide has been. we're going to update you on that. >>> and we also have new information this hour on that 4-year-old boy that rescuers were able to get to. the video of his actual rescue, look at that, it is just harrowing. but awesome. we're going to show it to you in full in a moment. your education is built to help move your career forward. here's how: we work with leading employers to learn what you need to learn so classes impact your career. while helping ensure credits you've already earned pay off. and we have career planning tools to keep you on track every s

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>> here's our david soucie put it do they get physicals every year? yes, they do. the sigh psychology part could be improved. it's up to the pilot to come forward. who in their right mind would come forward and say i can't fly a plane when it puts their career and financial future in jeopardy. >> thank you for that. i want to hear what my experts have to think now. richard quest, he is here. raffi ron is the former director of -- and richard i want to start with you. you can speak endless about what she was reporting on. >> in terms of all pilots go through recurrent training every six months. the airlines are very aware particularly in the recession we have just been through, extra stresses, marital problems, anything like that. there is an entire structure of reporting anonymously. and one very senior pilot at an airline who is responsible for the training and management of pilots put it this way. we tell pilots they can come to us if they've got a problem. if they have a psychological issue. they won't lose their license permanently but they will be medically un

cnn safety analysis david soucie. richard quest, david gallo, co-leader of the search for air france 447. and also former transportation department inspector general mary schiavo. david, let me start off with you. i still find this confusing. so all the satellite data, which was days old, you know, of alleged debris that had been spotted over the last week or so in an area, they're now searching some -- or moving toward an area some 684 miles away from that. so does that mean that was all wrong? >> you know, i don't know what that means as far as whether it was wrong or right. but what i do know is interpreting the satellite data is not easy to do. people think it's on or it's not. if that transponder is not on, you're looking at very small pieces of white dots. >> it could be white caps or anything. >> exactly. on the radar system, it's pings off of something, but you don't know what it is. so it doesn't surprise me that after digging into that and seeing the possible try angulations that they would readjust their cal

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we're going to put that question to mary schiavo, david soucie, david funk and bill waldock our panels here. david we'll start with you. this is reminiscent of course of payne stewart. how long did that fly? like four hours or something? >> at least four hours until it ran out of fuel as well. that was the result of depressurization in the cab anyone everyone lost consciousness? >> it's debatable whether depressurization or overpressurization followed by depressurization. the outflow valves stuck on that aircraft. there's a safety valve behind it. so if the outflow valve stops, the safety valve doesn't open, all the pressure from the engines that's supposed to be bleeding off stops. and that overpressurizes the aircraft, basically taking you from a cabin altitude of say 8,000 feet down to below sea level immediately. and it causes physical damage to you at that point. and then back up again after that up to 30,000. >> david funk, what do you make of this theory? i guess it could be also smoke or some sort of fume that would knock these guys out in the cockpit or i guess a struggle or

kip darby is head of his own aviation firm and cnn safety analyst david soucy. good to have you all here. a meeting of the minds. today we have new developments. mary, just on this news that malaysian authorities said today about data coming from that cockpit, because you remember a little more than a week ago there were reports, indications that that turn to the west after the plane lost contact might have been preprogrammed and this added to the theory that the pilots might have done this on purpose or that it was premeditated. now you have word at least from the malaysians that that is not the case. there was nothing from the plane to indicate that that turn was preprogrammed. how important a development do you think that is and for you does it undermine the theory the pilots were somehow intentionally involved? >> well, i mean, i never thought the pilots were intentionally involved. we were pondering this 12-minute gap. what happened was because this was thought to have been programmed in by the pilots, and the last communication was 12 minutes after they th

back with me mary schiavo, richard quest, david soucie. so since 1991, there's a list that the faa has here. 23 years. only 141 incidents. and we know there was a big ups plane that went down as a result of this. but richard, most of these are trivial. >> not only are they trivial, they didn't even happen on the plane. most of them are either in the sorting area, the presorting, being loaded on to the plane, and they all really concern fairly substantial numbers of lithium ion batteries. usually for one of the major companies the upss or the fed-exs. the number of occasions where for example in 2011, delta airlines passenger's device became very hot and the plastic started to melt. but the number of those sort of incidents are really quite small. >> and if it was to burst into flames, let's say even a pallet of lithium batteries to explode. this is a state-of-the-art fire sues premise te suppression sys? >> the interesting thing about lithium they have the capability of reigniting. so even though that happens, as soon as it restabilizes it

david souci, i want to go back to you to clarify something you said before we broke there. you seemed to suggest that there is a way if you're in the main cabin, not the cockpit, to basically power down things like the transponder and so on. just clarify exactly what you said. >> what it is there's a hatch that goes down into the equipmentv2ls area which is the avionics bay or e and e is what it's referred to as. with a special screw driver what it takes you can open the hatch, crawl down into this area, and from inside of there is where all the circuit breakers are for all of the equipment that we've been talk about that's turned off and even more could be turned off from down there. so that's the access. that's how this -- finally have an answer in my head as to why and how this could have occurred. why it occurred i don't know but i canhoqrÑ tell you how. >> mark wise, that's a riveting new piece of information which i haven't heard before. and it also opens up the possibility that although the finger of suspicion this plane has been taken off course deliberately rests a

joining me is david soucie and author of the book "why planes crash."flight data recorders here in time? >> you know, i hope -- i'm trying to be optimistic but if you look at that towed pin gger the fastest you can go is about five knots. they mentioned 50 square miles a day and that's about the extent of it. you're towing it ten miles behind the ship in order to get it to the depth necessary. the ship has got to go ten miles past the search area, come back and go past it ten miles the other way and come back. it's not a simple operation and it's going to take some time. >> and you're skeptical that the batteries are still running. why? >> well, i had spoke with a mechanic who did the audit of malaysia airlines, how they store the pingers and everything but he noticed that the pingers were kept in a hot room, 120 degrees. we spoke with the manufacturer and it's recommended that it's in a cool and dry place. if it's being stored at a high temperature, then it can definitely -- it can dramatically reduce the life of that battery. so i'm concerned about th

david soucie, thank you for making that call and letting us know that might be the new obstacle we'reagainst. >>> the search for the missing plane has revealed a lot of shortcomings. david just pointed out one, but how about this, the technology that we have to track you when you are flying. it is not as good as perhaps we thought, but will this disaster change the future of the planes that you fly in? will it perhaps allow us not to go through this mystery again? the answer ahead. >>> lessons learned from the disappearance of flight 370 lead to big changes in aviation technology? things like adding perhaps gps tracking to airplanes? because that's something most of us have on our cell phones right now. certainly would have helped us find the malaysian airlines jet anywhere on the globe. the u.s. navy is using its most sophisticated high-tech search plane, the p-8, the poposeidon,o search for the airliner. satellites were able to figure out flight 370's route by analyzing the pattern of blips it created as it flew. and we certainly have the technology to hone in on the pinging of the

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i want to bring in david soucie, author of the book "why planes crash."d to see you, good morning. >> hello, thanks for having me this morning. >> let me go through some of the list what investigators think might have happened that they are considering might have caused this plane to disappear. let's start with a possible hijacking. what's the likelihood of that? >> well, i think there's two issues with the hijacking scenario. one would be that there's been speculation there was a bomb on board or some kind of in-flight breakup caused by that. the hijacking scenario i can't answer to or talk about right now, obviously, we don't have any information that would lead us that way. except the two passports, but those issues, i think, are being resolved as we speak. the more concerning thing to me or what we can learn from what we do know is i don't believe that aircraft broke up in flight and i think that's an important point to make. the reason i don't think that is because in my investigations when the aircraft breaks up in flight, you have debris spread ove

back with me mary schiavo, richard quest, david soucie.so since 1991, there's a list that the faa has here. 23 years. only 141 incidents. and we know there was a big ups plane that went down as a result of this. but richard, most of these are trivial. >> not only are they trivial, they didn't even happen on the plane. most of them are either in the sorting area, the presorting, being loaded on to the plane, and they all really concern fairly substantial numbers of lithium ion batteries. usually for one of the major companies the upss or the fed-exs. the number of occasions where for example in 2011, delta airlines passenger's device became very hot and the plastic started to melt. but the number of those sort of incidents are really quite small. >> and if it was to burst into flames, let's say even a pallet of lithium batteries to explode. this is a state-of-the-art fire sues suppression system? >> the interesting thing about lithium they have the capability of reigniting. so even though that happens, as soon as it restabilizes it could re

. >> cnn safety analyst david soucie author of "why planes crash" cnn aviation analyst and veteran prieflt pilot miles o'brien, david gallo leader for the france flight 477. and mary schiavo who currently represents accident victims and their families. miles, you heard the commander they're sending in a second p 8 aircraft. do you believe there are enough assets on the ground, on the water, in the air, given how large the search area is? >> no. no. given the size of the search area, the current weather and expected weather -- fall into winter -- i don't think there's nearly enough assets there. there's another 10 or 11 p 8s in the u.s. fleet. there's 120 p 3s. why not send an aircraft carrier down there? the george washington is sitting in japan right now. you could put it close on station. they don't have aircraft that are ideally suited for search and rescue. >> the p 8 can't land on an aircraft carrier. >> it's a land-based aircraft. but there's the e 2 and c 2. both aircraft have long-range off the aircraft carrier. they're not set up for this. and then of course helicopters. you could

cnn safety analyst david soucie, author of "why planes crash". cnn aviation correspondent richard quest who originally flew in the cockpit of a malaysian airlines 777 with flight 370's first officer weeks before the crash. cnn analyst, and director of special projects at the woods hull ocean graphic institution. richard, let's talk about this partial handshake. up until today, everybody believed this last communication occurred what, at 8:11 a.m. now it seems there was another at least attempt to communicate later on, a few minutes later. >> right. and if you read what they say about that partial handshake in the inmarsat report that was released today, inmarsat basically said they couldn't say what it was. they couldn't say whether anything really about it. and they needed to investigate it further. now tonight, the inmarsat spokesman speaking -- writing in the "wall street journal" is saying they can say it wasn't human intervention. >> it was not a human attempting to communicate. >> correct. it was not a human that was activating the acars sy

. >> david soucie, your thoughts? >> i think it's just at this point a matter of accepting where we are and i think it's finally the families getting some kind of closure around it, but it's been a sad day for them. that's where i'd like to leave that tonight. >> les abend? >> as frustrating as it is for the family, i think it's positive we're narrowing this investigation and can find answers hopefully. >> the frustrating part is the search has been called out for now. right now i'm going to turn things over to cnn international's rosemary church. >>> this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everyone. i'm john vause. >> and i'm rosemary church. we continue with the breaking news coverage of the malaysian fly 370. >> more than 300 angry relatives of passengers of flight 370 have stormed out of their hotel rooms. >> and authorities have blocked them from boarding buses. also it's reported that beijing is demanding that malaysia turn over its satellite data. >> heavy rains kept planes grounded on monday. the search is not li

. >> david soucie, the idea of it being together, could it indicate it came from a similar source or just given the nature of the currents in this region, it could be the way garbage collects in the sea around there. >> and it does. but i think that's an advantage. now we know where it's gathering. if there was debris in the area, those currents would bring it into that debris field, as well. so you may have other debris in there. i would suspect you would. but you're also going to have good debris, if it's in that area. but what i'm most impressed about with these views, the statistics of having a 75-foot object in this picture and previous pictures that are -- if you draw a line between the three of them, it makes a flow as to where it moved from. so i think we're looking at within that picture, that same 78-foot object, which i suspect is a wing. >> yet nothing has been found with. all the resources out there. i know there have been rough swells and weather issues. >> they eastern getting a lot closer to finding something. you know, these pictures aside, the number of planes, 8, 9

let's bring in cnn aviation analyst david soucie and slate contributor jeff wise.ing in shawn prucnicki. these satellite images taken from the french satellite. the pictures were taken sunday, march 23rd. they show 122 pieces of possible debris ranging in size all the way up till about 70 feet clumped together in a relatively small area. what do you make of this? >> well, i think certainly this is very compelling. this is probably the first piece of evidence that we have that really starts to lend credibility to possibly that we're finding some of the debris field. but cautious on tow mission would be the way that i would characterize this. that it is certainly possible that this could be something else, but i think with just the sheer number of pieces that are part of this new piece of evidence lending far more credibility that maybe we have found something. >> jeff, what about that? what about the sheer number of pieces spotted by this satellite on sunday, 122? certainly we haven't seen that number before. >> no. i don't know whether that makes you more optimisti

clive, contributor for "the daily beast" and cnn analyst tom fuentes and david soucie, authorize of the book "why planes crash." a big panel. i want to start with the first question. viewers may be joining for the first time and learning this development about se quinquenci. malaysian horowiauthorities saye turn off course, raised questions whether this was a premeditated action by the pilots. i wonder if i could begin with you again, mary, your experience with the ntsb investigating accidents before and explain to our viewers in short-term why sequencing is important. >> today's development is important because it does not -- it's more consistent. if pilots put in this way point they were going to turn to, they knew in advance of the last communication they were going to turn. it was a premeditated act, turn off the course to beijing. if it was not premeditated, it does fit closely with the scenario that whatever happened happened suddenly and they turned to get back to an emergency airport. >> this is helpful putting in context. other news off the top of the hour, french provided sate

. >>> with me again david souci and les abend. is one more important than the other?hey both complement each other. in this particular case, you know, there's a lot of supposition with reference to the cvr, the cockpit voice recorder may not have any information other than the fact that if it goes blank for the last two hours, there's no talking. >> because it's taped over -- >> right. >> what would be most fascinating would be immediately after the signoff and the turn, which you may not have on there. >> but the fact that it's blank will tell you something also, that there was no control over the airplane, which we're speculating about. >> and the data recorder, how extensive is the data? >> you have a lot of information. you can tell where the flaps were, the engine, the speed, the vibrations in the engines. there's so much information that can be used in that. >> that's all paired up with the cockpit voice recorder and all the data into a program that you can track the airplane through its entirety. >> is there -- the technology exists that this could be, i don't

david soucie cites that malaysia stored the pingers in a hotter location than recommended and could havewer. but malaysia airlines said, quote, we are unaware of any issue with the underwater locator beacon or its batteries. wolf? >> brian, thank you. richard quest is still with us. we're also joined by former navy oceanography van gurley. this towed pinger locator that will get there on thursday , thy don't have any wreckage yet, is this, for all practical purposes, a waste of time? >> no. because the moment they do have a debris or debris field, which could happen at any time, as you've heard people say, they will put that into the water. it is just not useful to do it willy-nilly at such a vast space. >> van, i want to play for you a clip. this is chuck hagel speaking about this entire operation. listen to this. >> just a reminder, that area is the size of new mexico and this very sophisticated equipment that we have provided and we have provided, as far as i know, everything that the malaysian government has requested of us, is really reliant totally on defined search areas. it's got

facing these search crews, cnn aviation analysts, mary schiavo and les abend and safety analyst david soucieings first before we get to the battery life and race against time. we have breaking news that the simulator, the flight simulator that was found in the pilot's home, which the fbi has been looking at, we're now being told that it's actually here in the united states. at quantico. mary, i just want you to weigh in on this. this is an area of your expertise. did that surprise you to hear? >> it surprised me to hear, because at first they said they weren't able to get access to it. that's very good news. when we did investigations, often we would have to have things that were thought -- supposedly erased from computers, reconstructed, and fbi quantico was very helpful. so this is good news, if they indeed have it. >> good news and more gear, more eyes. from what i gather, there were less than a handful of agents actually over in malaysia. so now you've got the full force of the fbi and all of the technology at their disposal, correct? >> well, that's correct. even though they only had a

that's what has cnn's safety analyst david soucy concerned.e talked to a mechanic who found problems with the way they store these devices. >> having them stored improperly against manufacturer's recommendations is extremely hard on them and it will reduce the battery life to close to half as much as it's intended to. so 15 days or so. >> reporter: duquesne c-comm, the company that makes the pingers for malaysian airlines said high temperature could affect battery life. the manual says they should be stored in a cool, dry environment. we don't know how the recorders on flight 370 were stored. we do know that it will be much harder to find the black boxes without the pingers. it took two years to find the recorders from air france flight 447 after it crashed off the coast of brazil in 2009. search teams told pinger locators near the debris field just days after the crash and heard nothing, suggesting the pingers had stopped working or the signal was somehow blocked by rugged underwater terrain or other obstacles. >> even plant life, seaweed, pl