. >> we're joined by david gallo and cnn's safety analysis david soucie. david gallo, just realistically, if what they've seen this far this afternoon, they've seen six-foot waves, they're keeping these warnings in effect out of caution. but you think the worst of the danger is past? >> it seems like that. the scientists keep a close eye and they've pulled back on all the watches and warnings. and the system is working. >> we have just gotten word, two confirmed dead, three seriously injured. in terms of -- david soucie, you worked in the north ridge quake, worked in the north ridge quake, you do a lot of analysis of safety. how big -- what kind of damage do you think -- 8.2, depending on how strong the structures are, can cause a lot of damage. >> it can and it did in the north ridge earthquake. but the big challenge is just the emotional part of it. she said they're camping out. that's what we experienced there. every time we would go to a house, and i was there during the after shocks. you never know when it's going to happen, how strong it's going to be

back now with my team of experts, first to david souci, david, what do you make about what the ministeraid about the black boxes? do you agree they are possibly the most important part of this investigation? >> there is no doubt in my mind that they are. the fact he felt it doesn't matter. he just wants the truth. well, to get to the truth you have to take care to get there. it just is indicative of the kind of careless communication we've gotten from the malaysian government at this time. again, they're not experienced at it. i can see why -- his intent is good. i can see what he is saying. he is trying to get at the truth. i understand that. but if you look at how angus houston is hijacking tandling t situation, it is no conclusion, just the facts. >> yes, just the facts. the aerial search are for the missing debris is winding down. it is able to conclude the search without finding any debris, is that possible? >> well, it is an interesting comment, don, they did say it would wind down over the last few days. in fact they designated an area they were re-visiting which i last looked at

david soucie and colonel kay, thank you both so much.nd believe it or not, we know more about the surface of the moon than we do about the ocean that's being searched right now for that airplane. and check out that uncharted territory. and as we go to break, ponder this. about 5% of the ocean is known to us. the rest, chad myers is going to tell you about in a moment. i don't just make things for a living i take pride in them. so when my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis was also on display, i'd had it. i finally had a serious talk with my dermatologist. this time, he prescribed humira-adalimumab. humira helps to clear the surface of my skin by actually working inside my body. in clinical trials, most adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis saw 75% skin clearance. and the majority of people were clear or almost clear in just 4 months. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal events, such as infections, lymphoma, or other types of cancer have happened. blood, liv

also a safety analyst, david soucie. angus houston said they had some data that arrived only recently. did it sound to you they add new information and new line analysis on this old data? >> it does. like the other experts on the panel, great confidence in what we had. it was very measured, it was of beet and from what i am hearing, they are getting new data, being refined. and there seems to be an air of confidence that it is a big notion but we're getting closer and closer to where the airplane might be. >> i'm interested, you keep saying it is a real milestone in the investigation. specifically what bank is used in said to make you be so optimistic. >> you talk about the planning

david soucie and lieutenant michael kay are with me.aying it behaved like a commercial airliner, but it doesn't seem like any other commercial airliner. they certainly don't take sudden turns away from their flight path. colonel kay, what's the protocol when this happens? it's been sort of the common assumption, especially since 9/11, you go and you take a look. >> it's a graduated response. deemed not hostile. okay. suspicious. there's no doubt in my mind it was suspicious. it wasn't flight planned. ifr or bfr. it wasn't part of routine airways traffic. the red flag thing you raise is spot on. there are protocols area radar can take when they see an unidentified trace on the screen. the first one is they go to the distress cell, they pick up the radio, they pick up the sat com and they try to talk to the airplane or whatever it is that disappeared. then they try to speak to other aircraft in thes ha s havvicini. there are lots of checks and balances before you get to ringing the military to say we've had someone drop off radar, get som

. >>> and turning to the panelists, author, david souci, also analyst david gallo, director of special investigations, and richard, the families are frustrated. what has been the reaction to your interview. you were able to get the prime minister to promise to release the investigation's preliminary report. but it is really no secret that the government there is not used to that find of transparency. >> i think the reaction from the families was in some ways predictable. they don't believe the prime minister will keep good on his promise. and even if he does release the report they are still convinced that something will be left out. something will be hidden. the families really fall into several categories and we really can't lump them all into one group. there were those who in some ways have come to terms with it. they have a dignified silence and are getting ready to go into the next part of the process. there are those who want answers, what actually happened and what can the government and airline tell us? and then there are those who simply believe the plane is wait ing to be fo

built for business. >>> back to bill schofield who helped create the black boxes and david soucie. ou were saying that you're really excited about the information that came out of this. >> i really am. doing a lot of investigations myself, as we've been talking about for weeks, there's ebbs and flows. we have to take the bad with the good. this is beyond a flow. this is a milestone. let me tell you why i think that. we've got so much equipment out there now. we have the echo out there, we have the towed pinger locaters out there. everything that's out there right now is 24-hour service. they're going to be going 24 hours. before we were limited because we had to take two or three hours to get out there, then only a few hours to search. these things work at night, they work all the time. and if that pinger locater is pinging right now, they're starting to look for it. you could hear his statements about working together. it's amazing the energy in an investigation how it changes at this point. a lot of it's been going on and i'm glad to see it coming together. >> thank you very much.

i think mary will attest to that also, in addition to david soucie, that this is indeed a great process.

. >>> i want to bring in cnn safety analyst and author of the book "why planes crash," david soucie ands. you say the device that the australi australians were using to get these pings were far more advanced than those used by the chinese. explain. >> yes. your last commentator mentioned it. the devices that the chinese were using were devices that you would use perhaps for something which is roughly 400 meters or so beneath the surface and they are quite simple in the way that they are constructed. so the chinese were probably receiving a great deal of noise. the ocean creates a lot of noise and the 37.5 kilohertz signal could easily be lost in that and you could easily misinterpret that signal. the device used on the "ocean shield" are american devices made by the u.s. navy that is used specifically for deep ocean. this will be drawn along the ocean floor at 4 to 5 miles an hour, perhaps only 1,000 feet off the bottom of the floor. so they are much, much closer to the ping -- the beacons themselves or the black boxes. and so therefore the chances of them being picked up are considerab

. >> we're joined by david gallo and cnn's safety analysis david soucie. david gallo, just realistically, if what they've seen this far this afternoon, they've seen six-foot waves, they're keeping these warnings in effect out of caution. but you think the worst of the danger is past? >> it seems like that. the scientists keep a close eye and they've pulled back on all the watches and warnings. and the system is working. >> we have just gotten word, two confirmed dead, three seriously injured. in terms of -- david soucie, you worked in the north ridge quake, you do a lot of analysis of safety. how big -- what kind of damage do you think -- 8.2, depending on how strong the structures are, can cause a lot of damage. >> it can and it did in the north ridge earthquake. but the big challenge is just the emotional part of it. she said they're camping out. that's what we experienced there. every time we would go to a house, and i was there during the after shocks. you never know when it's going to happen, how strong it's going to be. it's frightening. i even slept

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jeffwise, mary schiavo, david soucie. brett, to you with the question of the cell phone first, to brett larson. we discussed why 239 people on board and now only one phone on in the plane? does that make sense? >> it doesn't make any sense at all, don. and a lot of the details that we have about this incident don't make a lot of sense. it seems highly suspect that just one cell phone would ping one of these towers and make that handshake to say i'm trying to make a cell connection here are you an available tower? and the other thing we don't know here, don, we don't know if this was an accidentally left on phone if he just forget to shut it off when they took off. and there is information we need to get about that. the cell companies could say yes, the last time we handed off his phone is when we took off from the airport and never reappear on. but i'm not thinking that what "s" wh-- is what happened here when you are below 10,000 feet you will be able to connect to a cell phone tower. >> what conclusions can we draw from

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cnn analyst, david souci, author of why planes crash, and david gallo, director of special projects ofds institution. also, richard quest, richard, just big picture, in terms of the optimism that we heard from that last press conference from angus houston, i mean, we've never really heard him come as close as what he did today, saying what he did. >> yeah, and going one stage further was his natural reluctance to take that step until he has hard physical evidence. and that is what he said again and again in his late night press conference. i want to see evidence. not just because that is what he needs but because that is what the families require. so that they have certainty of what happened and they can begin the process of closure on the event. >> dave gallo, when we look at the map where you see the four different spots where they heard pings on two different days and we're looking at it right there it is confusing because you know there are only two black boxes. so why were there all of these different positions? can you just explain -- my understanding is because of the way sound

i want to bring in the editor in chief of the airlines ratings.com and david souci. angus houston said they had some data that arrived only recently. did it sound like they had new analysis on this old data? >> yes, it does, don. like the other experts on the panel, we have great competence in the address that we had. it was very measured. it was upbeat. and from what i'm hearing, they are getting new data. it is being refined. and there seems to be an air of confidence, that, sure, it's a big ocean, but we're getting closer and closer to where this airplane might be. >> i'm very interested, david, souci, you keep saying you think it's a real milestone in the investigation, and specifically what angus houston said to make you have that -- to be so optimistic? >> you talk about the planning and everything that was going into this and we've been suffering through that and the families have been suffering through that. but i want people ton when you're in an investigation, it's the planning that is so painful. now we have everything in place. it's a breath of fresh air

gary tuckman, cnn, san diego. >>> and joining us once again is david gallow, and david soucie. at is supposedly underneath here, will that interrupt the side scanning sonar? >> that was based on something taken a long time ago from a long way away. i don't think silt will be a problem. we always have to worry a bit about sediment kicking up. but in this case with sonar, i don't think it will be a problem. >> and in this case, a plane hitting the bottom would bring up a lot of silt, but that would settle quickly? it would happen certainly not to the level it would impact the sonar search -- >> and the environment, we talked about this a little during the break. and that's oilthr oulnly half t depth. the environment at these kind of depths under the water, it is a whole other world. >> it is a completely different world that nobody has a concept of. 50% of the ocean is above that. >> you see species down there you don't see anywhere else. >> all sorts of life forms, you don't see underwater rivers -- >> what is an underwater river. >> it is density, water moves because it is dense

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that would be a lot of work to be done, once again, david soucie. >> david gallo, david soucie, thanks>> let's shift to another urgent situation. the self proclaimed leader of the pro-russian groups is refusing an international deal that would stand them down. meanwhile, jewish residents in one city are still reeling from the demand that they register with the opposition. phil black is live in donetsk. is this some kind of very ugly political ploy going on as a tactic or seen as a legitimate threat? >> it does look political, chris. it all hangs on that ominous word, registration. it is such a sensitive issue in this country because ukraine is a country that suffered enormously during the nazi occupation of world war ii. this letter has injected the fear of antisemitism into ukraine's crisis. the chief a rye at donetsk reads the text which says, all jews over the age of 16 must register their identities, reales state, and car ownership. he tells me the notice was handed out near his synagogue on tuesday by four men wearing masks. he says when he first saw it he felt shock and fear. ame

david soucie from denver.hael kay and aviation attorney mark dombroff who just so happened to represent the charter company with the jet involved in that ghost flight and ultimate crash that took the life of pga champion payne stewart in 1999. might i remind you that was caused by decompression. mark, i'd like to start with you on that. i'm sure that was of keen interest to you when you heard about this flight fridays ago, is it possible decompression was the cause here? >> i don't think we can rule it out. i recall that particular flight where f-16 fighters from the national guard went up to basically shadow the aircraft after air traffic control advised it was not flying its flight plan and turned north and was not communicating. in that particular instance, there was no warning given to the pilots or by the pilots to traffic control, accommodaticom simply stopped. they passed the word on from air traffic control to their authorities and fighter jets were scrambled. they observed the aircraft basically crash

let's bring in rob mccallum, david soucie, author of "why planes crash."ob, let's start with the bluefin-21, this underwater drone of sorts. even with a narrow search area, this is not going to be quick. explain how the bluefin mission will work and if it captures something that could be the wreckage, how that data gets to those above the water. let's ask that to david soucie. >> well, i'm not sure i'm qualified to answer that with rob sitting here next to me. he seems more qualified to answer that question but as far as how it goes, it's supposed to get down and get a swath but i understand that rob might have some questions about it. he knows something about the depth ability of that bluefin-21 and we've been talking about some concerns we have about the ability to reach that depth. >> let me ask you this, then, david. do you think they waited too long to switch to the bluefin? >> you know, i was thinking that at first because i was real certain that that battery wasn't going to last more than 35 days and they kept going on day after day and i felt so em

all right, we'll beginning in our package, david souci, mary schiavo, and more on the victims transportation accidents, we meet again, david, what is your thoughts on the bluefin? this thing is slower than most riding lawn mowers. what are your thoughts on the long-term progress? >> well, the fact that the bluefin came out, they must have a good idea of where this may be. flight 447, they were not quite sure, they were scanning the area. but somehow i have the feeling if they were guessing where this thing was they would have brought in more resources. so the fact they have one tells me there was one place they were looking. that is what they're trying to get to. >> does that make sense, mary? >> yeah, like david, investigators don't believe in coincidences. and it was very coincidental or not, very intentional that when the ocean shield went out, i mean, boom, it went right to the area and got pings. i mean, i think it was the first day that they got the two hours of the pings. so somehow, in the vast indian ocean and with nothing more than four pings from the inmarsat satellite, they sent

joe johns, cnn, kuala lumpur, malaysia. >>> and i want to bring in our analyst, david souci, and miles'brien, and tim taylor. i want to start with you regarding the claims the malaysian air force did not notify the rest of the government until three days later that jets had been scrambled to find this plane. they didn't know it was flight 370 at the time. if it is true, and obviously there are a lot of contradictory voices on this, but if it is true how critical would that information have been in the early days of the search? >> well, obviously, and i'm not the aviation guy. but they did searches in the south china sea. so they started the search off in the wrong direction. >> completely wrong body of water. >> right from there i think you have a whole different direction where it would have gone, where it would have saved days. and they would have gotten to the south indian ocean a lot faster. >> and david, where does the communication protocol start? >> if they're local, it translates locally. when you say this is the aircraft, and you say good night, and call ahead and talk to the

david souci, just finding the black boxes doesn't guarantee anything.oblems could they face? >> well, a lot of problems we've seen before is just in the circuitry board. because the way they're aligned together, the circuitry board, the ics, if it is removed, what is stuck to it is not that difficult to crack the connections between. that is not fatal, though, because that can be repaired. the information can be on the integrated circuit. it is a repaired, slow process. but it can be done. it is the handling of the salt water. that is the big issue, the salt water will crystallize as it dries. you have to get in a big rinse on everything, because it can start to crack and affect the data, as well. >> miles, i just want to say because of the loop it is possible that even if these boxinbo boxes are found, even if they're recovered. even if the data is restored and recovered it might not tell us anything? >> well, the cockpit voice recorder captures the last two hours. the last two hours. so think about this flight. and what might have been happening at th

joining me now cnn safety analyst david soucie, david gallo, co-leader of the search for air france flight 447. cnn aviation analyst and veteran private pilot miles o'brien and cnn aviation correspondent richard quest. before i get into this sub thing, david gallo, you look at this new search area. you can call it a shift. but that's a new area. >> that's a whole new area, anderson. it looks like they're working their way up that arc. we don't show the arc on the graphic but there was a southern arc. they must be adjusting it for distance that the plane may have gone. i heard about five different things in that last report all brand-new to me in the last hour or so. this is interesting. >> what brand-new to you? >> well, the british submarine, the shift, why the shift now, are we just giving up completely on the other location or is there some new bit of evidence that says we were in the wrong place to begin with. >> also, david gallo, it seems like they have perhaps exhausted -- they've been searching now since i guess friday, they moved that search area. maybe they've exhausted the area

let's bring in david soucie, cnn's analyst. why planes crash" and a former faa inspector to discuss what we know and what we don't know and where they're going to be, david. this all comes back to the pings. the pings that they don't know. this is the first ping they detected, the second, the third and the fourth. where is the search today? >> what they're going to do is focus on the first one because the first one was the long equivalent and most consistent. these others are most likely artifacts. they're other pieces -- these are the echo ones. these are the ones that kind of bounced and moved around out here. >> why do you think they know they want to focus on this one -- it's the first one they got, but why isn't that an echo? >> well, because it's solid and for a long period of time. >> this is the two hours. >> yeah. if you look at where the beacon would be and it's radiating out. remember, it will go three miles or so. and that's a minimum it can go farther than that. this is 160 decibels which is the same as a gunshot. t

that's why the system failed with malaysia 370. >> david soucie. >> i was on the team that wrote the funding document that goes to congress for next gen. if you want to go to know more about next gen you need to talk to me. it is sending a signal out, which is -- unless i'm not going after you hear, i'm talking about what geoff was saying. because les is on key with this. it is sending the signal out, i would agree. it would have nothing to do and that is what the aircraft was equipped to. ittal sends to every other aircraft in the system. when an aircraft turns it off, even if the switch is off, every other aircraft who may have interaction with that aircraft would get a signal and say somebody turned it off. that's the weak leak in the system. it is designed in the system and yes, it may not have prestrented the accident. i agree with that. but i will tell you what, everybody would have known where that plane went. >> jeff wise, you want to respond? >> well, i divert to david if he disagrees with what i say. i defer to him. i would clarify the satellite use of the system is to dete

mary shy co, david soucie, thank you for joining us this morning. we'll continue to talk about it throughout the morning. >> thank you. >>> the tensions escalate in another part of the world, ukraine, amid reports of pro-russia gunmen storming government buildings. look at this video. just grabbing this man by the throat. we'll have more of the video and a report from the region. this story is developing at this hour. >> think about this, president obama prepares to visit malaysia, right in the heart of the search for the missing plane. no doubt something he had not imagined when this trip was planned. we have that report ahead. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because you can't beat zero heartburn. woo hoo! [ male announcer ] prilosec otc is the number one doctor recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 8 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. (music) defiance is in our bones. defiance never grows old. citracal maximum. calcium citrate plus d. highly soluble, easily absorbed. but with less ene

and cnn's safety analyst daft s david soucie an author of "why planes crash."e start with you here. just before the break i spoke to commander marks of the seventh fleet. he basically told me -- they're just trying to get lucky here. right now we're searching off the sides of the ship with the towed ping locater. just trying to get lucky. didn't inspire much confidence in me i have to say. is that really the best they can do right now? >> i know what he means. i know how it sounded. it didn't sound particularly -- didn't inspire confidence. but i know just what he means. that lacking any shred of evidence on the surface or the pings, you're hoping against hope you're going to put a vehicle in the water and hear something or find something on the surface. you can't take anything away from the dedication of those teams. they've got to be exhausted by now and yet they keep going because they understand the importance of finding that aircraft. >> i'm sure they're doing whatever they can, david gallo. is there one piece of this equipment, towed pinger locater or blu

you see on the piece with david souci, also the analyst, david gallo, co-leader of the flight for airnce 447. and when you look at the miracle on the hudson, just to reiterate, completely unlikely in the indian ocean. >> you know, i thought that at first, as you watch the search go on there are times where it is relatively calm out there. you do have the swells as opposed to the surface waves. i'm not ruling that out still. >> but still, the plane has not been found and no debris has been found. >> that is what makes me think it didn't break up. so if you think about that -- >> but it would still have sunk. >> well, yeah, it would have, of course. except for the fact that it was outfitted with out-flow valves that you can turn on, they have to be manually done in the sullenberger landing, those were automatical lally deployed wher floats. but if somebody were incapacita incapacitated, i doubt that it would float. so it raises a lot of questions. >> mary, there are any scenarios that you can think about that would not leave debris? >> well, sure, not that it didn't leave debris but it

david souci, author of "why planes crash."nd a professor of physics at the florida institute of technology. i am sure, i butchered your name, apologies for that. and i saw something today, when the former commerce secretary, ron brown's plane crashed in croatia, they did no go on land, these are four of the most dependable. what do you say about four of them didn't go off? >> yes, this is very interesting, when the elts were developed in the '70s, the reliability rate was very low, only about 25% of the time did they go off. this has improved over time. the latest number we have is about an 80% activation rate. so there is a 20% factor that says they wouldn't go off. but all four? this is again one of the many strange elements of this disappearance, of which we're into the seventh or so week of now, 43 days. another question mark to add to the growing number of questions we have about mh-370. >> yeah, david souci, what do you know about these elts? is it something you could shut off? are they built into the raft slides, the em

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i'm joined now by cnn safety analyst david souci and ocean search specialist rob mccullum.n previous weeks we've heard almost every step of what australian authorities and other nations were going to be doing about their air and underwater search. we've heard nothing that we don't know what the next step is. >> who it doesn't worry me in the sense it's logical what will happen next. other opinions need to be explored so a more moderate term plan is to review the other locations and the longer term plan has to be to cover a much broader area, perhaps following the flight path of the area of the aircraft from the south back up to are the north. that's a long plan taking at least two or three months. >> david, in your view, are we at this juncture where authorities have to listen again to perhaps those recorded pingsz, try to discern more about the intensity or frequency of them and redirect their search based on that? >> i think so. they ruled the first one, highest in amplitudes, it indicates it's the close e to the pinger, but obviously that wasn't the case. while i'm sadde

but just, there is some strange information. >> how about you, david souci? i know you have been thinking they were not looking in the right spot. how do you think the plane got there? >> well, we have to look at the combinations of what i do know. what i have been focused on, talking about the lithium batteries, the fact they changed the system. that is going to affect a fire from lithium batteries in a different way in such that gases would escape from them. so that is my theory at this point because i'm thinking that at some point, the crew and the passengers were incapacitated. there was never cell phone discussions. there was nobody trying to reach somebody through a cell phone. there were no communications from the aircraft. something took out either the crew and passengers. and/or the radios, as well. i'm looking more along the lines of an on-flight fire, or decompression. something along those lines. >> and how would that explain the describe turns in and around indonesia? >> well, it does in that if the crew were incapacitated, because the crew has a

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bringing in former faa inspector david soucie to talk about the search. even the search area is a real challenge. first we've got, to me it seems these two search areas are really far apart. this is the visual search area. right? >> correct. the surface search. >> the surface search. >> right. >> this is -- >> the underwater search. >> where the ocean shield is. why is there such a difference in the location? >> because of the fact it's moving on the top, everything that's floating. we have wind. remember, there's been a hurricane through here during this time. a lot of movement. >> assumptions for all of the currents and the wind that we've been talking about? >> where it might have gone. all predicated on the fact this is where it impacted, called the scatter point, and that scatter point is based on the pings that were detected? >> yes, correctants talk me through -- we have the four pings. talk me through where they're basing the underwater search off of these pings? how do they calculate them? >> what they said, what angus houston said is that they'r

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. >>> all right, thank you, michael holmes, and cnn analyst david souci, author of "why planes crash." and cnn analyst, david gallo, director of special projects who co-led the search for air france flight 447. we heard from the australian defense minister saying it could take two weeks. >> the only thing i could think, anderson if they're going to go lower and slower, or go over areas where they fill in gaps, something like that. but it is hard to understand exactly why it is going to take more time. >> and richard, there is a preliminary report on the disappearance prepared by malaysia since the international civil aviation organization. the malaysian officials, i understand you have details of what is in it. >> reporter: yeah, i asked at the press conference yesterday, whether the report had been sent as had been required by annexed 13. and the malaysian officials yes, it had been sent to montreal as required. i then was told about the safety recommendation in the report. let me read you. it has been confirmed. the safety recommendation that the malaysians are asking, they say it i

david souci is the author of the book "why planes crash." and the captain is the former director of the safety for the coalition of airline pilots association. david, let me start with you. they have released new search maps today. one of them shows a sonobuoy area, can you explain what that is and what they're looking for? >> well, sonobuoys have been deployed before, about five or six inches in diameter, when they hit the water they will deploy a float and a transmitter on top of the water. it is a depth that the sono buoy can drop down to. it may not necessarily pick up a pinger, but it could. it is within the 4,000 meter range, but that is what the sonobuoy,they're very effective in maintaining where you were when you saw something or where you were when you look at a certain search area. >> miles let's get a reality check here. it is day 33 of the search here, past the expected life of the batteries. they say they can last 30 to 35 days. okay, let's grant it. captain matthews of the u.s. navy says he believes the pingers are still alive

i want to bring in the panel, cnn safety analyst, david soucie, author of why planes crash. and director special project the oceanographic institution and mary schavio who currently represents accident victims and their families. david gallo, the fact they didn't get data from the bluefin, i don't think you would be that surprised. >> they got data, just they didn't see anything -- this is all typical of the first days of an expedition like this. it's unfortunate and frustrating, especially but it is ott unusual. >> the mission was aborted because of the depth they found themselves in deeper water than anticipated. the surface wasn't that deep and had to call it back and recalibrate things. is that going to happen more and more. does that indicate a lack of understanding of what the depth is? >> every day they go out there they are going to learn something new about the terrain and will make adjustments to the hardware, software, the vehicle and operations plan. it may happen once or twice more. in the air france 447 we had a lot of aborted runs from our robots but you learn.

i want to bring back david souci, boeing captain, and aviation analyst, and private pilot, miles o'brien, former inspection director mary sciavo, and a former cnn analyst, david gallo, he co-led the search for air france flight 447. let's put the map up that was just released in that press conference on the screen. i mean, richard as you look at this what jumps out at you? explain what you're seeing here. >> right, what you're looking at is the various moments when over the four-pinger locations that are being detected. the first and second were on saturday. the third and the fourth were on tuesday. now, we can only see on this map where they lost the first and the second, and that is also because the time distance was greater, one was two hours, 20, the other was 13. by the time you get to number three and number four you're really talking about a matter of minutes, 532 and seven minutes. >> these are detections being made by this device, which is being towed -- how many -- how far behind the ship? >> could be as far as five miles behind the ship. so when you look at this, i'm not real

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david soucie, saw her to of why planes crash. les abend. >> the first phase is complete.king in the wrong place or just not find it? >> it's a baffling turn of events. the australians have been promising that these pings came from mh-370 and when we went down and look we would find mh-370 or at least the black box to. search quite a large area. the towed pinger locator can only find something in a mile. so to look in six miles is a generous search area until you think it can be detected at any distance it should have been there if it came from mh-370. so the fact that the plane wasn't there and the black box wasn't there, indicates that this ping which they described as the best ping must have come from something else. it indicates that these pings which are touted as being from the black boxes was not. and that really puts us at a dead end. and so any behavior that you engage in after, this you really have to ask why is this being done? it's extraordinary to search the ocean bed when you have no strong indication that the plane is in the vicinity. >> les, do you think th

david soucie is a cnn safety analyst author of the book "why planes crash" and david stupples., i want to start with you. how reliable -- the first time i as a layman heard about these sonobuoys was this week. how reliable are they? >> very reliable. they are designed to search out submarines, for submarine attack and defense. as they get dropped, they are very reliable. they go down 1,000 feet. the fact that it went down 1,000 feet, it's enough to penetrate the temperature boundary and it's quiet at that layer. it's sensing everything. so the fact that we got a ping tells you a good place to go with the "ocean shield" to start looking deeper. >> professor stupples, how is the listening technology on these buoys different than what the ship is using to pick up the pings? >> well, the towed ping locator is very much more sensitive than this bouoy. the buoy contains a hydrophone. that is not to say that it hasn't picked up a ping from the locator. >> and david, the big question now, investigators have said these signals have the potential of being from a manmade source. >> uh-huh

alan diehl, mary schiavo, and david soucie, thank you very much.xt step in this search will go miles deep under water. how will they look? and particularly, without a shred of sunlight or evidence on top of the water? i'm on expert on softball. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for, because i'm raising two girls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're grown. but it's for them, so i've found a way. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. ready to plan for your future? we'll help you get there. >>. >> four pings heard in the indian ocean have narrowed the search area for flight 370. it's not nearly as wide as it was before. but it is still just as deep. crews will need a new set of tools to search nearly three miles now down to the ocean floor. rosa flores has more. >> reporter: four times investigators have heard pings that are consistent with the signals coming from the missing jet's data rec

joining me now at the map to discuss, cnn analyst david soucie. t your take on this because this altitude dip is come foundi ico me. let's show the flight path with this big dip, generally in the area where it would happen. so you have the assent. you have the left turn. then you have this dramatic drop. then at some point it comes back up to cruising altitude. >> right. >> when you first hear that, what does that tell you? >> the dramatic drop would be consistent with something happened on the aircraft, losing pressurizatio pressurization, a fire on board, smoke on board because you have to get to a lower altitude to people could breath without supplemental oxygen. >> could it suggest something else? emergency maneuver, i understand that. >> the talk now is that it was avoiding radar. there's credibility to that in that trying to get below that radar, there is discussion as to whether radar can catch the airplane down below 5 thundershower fe,000 feet. >> we can show it cruising altitude 35,000 feet. we'll show where this plane was cruising at. an

and joining me now, david souci, the author of "why planes crash" also, mary schiavo, the attorney for victims of accidents. let me ask you a question, mary, i guess 45 days, is that the legal limit to which lawyers can approach these families? sarah says the bad ones have been coming at her from day one. how do you think that will change the prospects for these desperate folks? >> well, yes, he is right. what happens is some follow the rules and some don't. with the national transportation safety board -- >> mary, i'm sorry, let me stop you, we're just having trouble hearing your mike. it sounds like it slipped from your lapel, if you want to reset that, i'll come back to you in a second, but david let's talk about the search. you believe they're in the right area, based on those pingers from april 9th it seems so long ago. it is just a matter of finding it, right? >> it does, sarah was talking earlier about no credible evidence and they have been lied to. and i certainly appreciate her sentiment at that. the one thing that i'm hanging onto and i'm confident about is those pings came

and david souci, and cnn aviation correspondent richard quest, and inspector general mary schiavo whourrently represents families of disasters. and the question we have been asking all along and certainly must be asking about the elts, the locater transmitters which are supposed to come off when it comes in contact with the water. >> well, they're not the most reliable for man or beast, there is a 20% failure rate off that particular instrument. then you have the question of where this took place. the most remote place on earth, way in the depths of the indian ocean. then you factor into it how did the plane actually land or go into the water. was it activated sufficiently? finally you have the question, if the machines work deep, deep under water. although it is a big issue there are reasons why the elt may not have given a reading. >> and david souci, there are questions about why the plane went up to 39,000 feet. that is within the range of this aircraft. does that tell you anything? >> well, it tells me again how unreliable the sources are, because they keep telling us one altitud

and let's bring in richard quest, and david gallo, and also with us, david souci, cnn analyst and authorf "why planes crash." and aviation writer geoffrey thomas. david, the bluefin so far yielded no information about the plane, what we know about it in the last bit still being analyzed. searchers said the last dive that took about nine hours was particularly successful. does that tell you anything? >> just that they're getting better at what they do. i mean, this team is a well qualified team. they're getting the vehicle tuned to work at those depth thethe -- getting the vehicle out and more power. and just the peak performance. >> and david, they're suggesting they may have to expand the search area beyond where they heard their pings. i mean, it looks along the arc where they think the plane may have actually gone. but if that is the case it seems like we're in for a very long haul. >> if we're talking about can't matthews talked early on about tactical surveying going right on at the bull's eye. if they're talking about wider areas, they will have to talk more about the vehicles. don