this is what david soucie is talking about. the plane makes this approach.ding at this point. losing altitude. and this turn, was it deliberate or was it the result of aerodynamic forces? was this propeller giving any form of lift or was it now as david soucie just said, was it that big block that was basically killing the lift from the wing at the time? >> david, to richard's point, what kind of training do pilots go through to learn how to deal with a situation where a plane loses an engine? >> it's very rigorous. in fact, there's several accidents i've looked at when they go off and the pilot didn't realize the engine, remember, although it's on the wings they have a center line of thrust so you lose one engine as long as it properly feathers, it's moving straight ahead forward so the pilot really has a hard time sometimes in the modern aircraft determining which engine failed. so the process is to pull back the throttle on the engine that failed. they practiced these things, pulled back the power on the wrong engine and caused the aircraft. of course, no

a short time ago, i walked through it with richard quest and david soucie. let's take a look here on the magic wall. >> start with the close-up and here you see the aircraft coming up. the dramatic turn and crashing into the bridge but if you look at it from a slightly different angle, if you take this particular picture and you see something quite different. you see something in a different angle because here you see the plane, comes straight in and you see the plane and at that point, it's pretty straight and on a downward trajectory but it still is moving with the wings both level. it's this point that the left wing appears to stall and stall very badly and dramatically when there's very little height to the ground and that of course is there. now, someone suggests was the pilot trying to avoid these buildings? i think if you look quite clearly, this is not the case. this is an aircraft it's an extremist. it's going straight down into the water. >> david soucie obviously, it's too early to be sure but from the videos the turn towards the river, you think

i want to go live to beijing and cnn's david mckenzie, also standing by live with us is david soucie. first to you, david mckenzie, i understand there's news breaking in terms of the number of people who did not survive this crash, the death toll. what are they saying now? >> reporter: unfortunately, ashleigh, i can't bring you good news. 31 people at least have now died in this horrific crash. that number has been steadily growing as the hours tick by. they've managed to pull the fuselage of that plane out of the river onto the side, onto the bank. and what effectively they're doing is the grim task of pulling bodies out. but still extraordinary tales of survival coming out of this crash. we saw earlier a young child, a boy being pulled out of the wreckage by the rescuers, out of the wreckage, there was an upside-down fuselage and he seemed largely apparently unharmed, handed to an adult and taken away in one of these small craft. at least a dozen people survived this crash which has left many people stunned with those extraordinary images. ashleigh? >> david, just looking at some of

also joining me cnn safety analyst david soucy. let me start with you, tom, on the plane's navigation. what can you show us? >> we know this was taking off over a very busy area. think about this aircraft as we stop it right here. from this wing tip to this wing tip is about 88 feet. at takeoff maximum weight is around 50,000 pounds. this plane took off at about 135 miles an hour. it could have been up to 150 miles an hour instead of 135 miles an hour if it were taking off at the proper speed. seemed like they were fine there. less than two minutes, this thing got up in the air, suddenly had this tremendous loss of power and then came down here. by the time it hit this road down in this area it was going about 100 miles an hour. that's fast but it's not fast for an aircraft when it made this impact here and then it went over the edge. here are a couple other things to note. you mentioned just a minute ago this question of the props here. if you look at the one over here on the right side of the plane, where it's believed perhaps th

david soucie is with me author of malaysia air flight 370 and a former faa safety inspector.isten just the public not actually see this kind of crystal clear view. when you watch this especially when we've seen the picture in slow-mo, what do you see? >> first to point out the public has talked about whether a pilot could communicate or not during an accident, this shows just how much things can quickly become deadly in the airplane. that's the first thing to look at. the second thing, the reason it's gone to the left as quickly as it is is from one or two things either the engine quit on that left-hand side and stayed in the feathered position meaning there's no wind or drag on the propeller. if they don't go into the feathered position, it pulls the aircraft to the left as if there's a big piece of wood. that's the one possibility. the other is that the engine quit but the pilot made a controlled decision to divert the airplane so that it wouldn't land in the apartment buildings but rather decrease the fatalities by landing in the river and i think that's the most likely sc

joining us now, cnn's safety analyst, david soucie former safety inspector for the faa here in the unitedwhat's your reaction when you see this rare up-close video of the crash? can you pick up any clues from these images, what might have caused the crash? >> it's very telling, wolf. first of all, it's just tragic we've lost as many lives as have been lost. but the fact there were 15 survivors, i see there's only two possible scenarios here. one would be the left engine failed which the pilot mentioned he had a flameout. it appears from the video if you look at those three frames you see the left engine appears not to be putting out any thrust. however, there's an auto feather on this airplane. so if the auto feather worked properly there's no reason that aircraft would have banked so severely to the left other than the pilot trying to make a maneuver to make the aircraft crash more survivable. >> what kind of safety record does this aircraft have? >> it's a spotted record but not because of mechanical records, mostly related to weather or ice. that doesn't appear to be the case in this.

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david soucie. let's start with the plane crash, we know the last words, mayday mayday engine flame-out. mary sciavo this squares exactly with what you thought was happening by looking at the left side propeller. does that mean that what we see in the maneuvering of that plane wasn't just distress but a pilot trying to avoid things trying to mitigate the circumstances? >> yes, absolutely. when you look at the radar tracings now that are available, it's clear he was diverting somewhat from the usual departure, it appeared he was trying to follow the river, which is part of the course on departure, but had made turns around at least one building. that very last turn the very sharp turn i think at that point the plane had last so much lift it was out of control. that was not a controlled turn. but i think the pilot clearly was trying to dodge the buildings and get the plane to the water. hoping to save lives. >> we're going to have to figure out why the engine flamed out. that's critical. we want to as

so there sis a lot to talk about with mary skyavo and david soucie. f you. and david, you investigated plane crashes for the faa, and look agent the incredible dash cam video in taiwan, what can you see? >> i see that the left engine is not producing power. the blades are not pulling forward like they would if they were having power, and bending backwards, and the aircraft it appears to me that the propeller is not fully feathered, and so when the engine quits, it is parallel to the line of flight so that it does not resist the air flow but if it does not do that, you have a 12-foot diameter block that stops p any air from going through it, and it can stall that left wing and that is what appears it happened there. >> it is quick there, but the pilot calls out mayday. >> mayday can mayday, engine flameout. >> mayday mayday engine flameout. what can the investigators learn from this, david? >> well, it is interesting when you hear that the wings are level and flying straight, so that tells you that he had power in one engine, and nothing has restricted

. >>> and now more on the latest of the crash, cnn analyst and crash specialist david soucie and author of "malaysia flight 370." and cnn analyst richard quest. i have always been skeptical to buckle up, i have to say. >> and there therefore the passengers get away because they didn't have the seat belt fastened manyin the case of the transasia or in where not wearing the seat belt was the key to your survival, they are fewer and farther apart than those with where buckling up, because if the plane does take a dive, and if it does have an emergency landing, your seat is design to withstand certain g-forces when you are wearing the belt and buckled if in. >> that is why it is important the stay with the seat? >> yes, absolutely and to have it in the upright and stow position, because, again, that is where the seat is design and certified for the g-forces. >> and david, the kind of turbulence in the randi's piece, and i fly all of the time and i have never been on the flight where it has been really bad, and i have been lucky. >> like me, i have flown many times, and maybe had that kind o

us to talk about that is mary schiavo and she is an attorney for aviation accidents, and also david soucie author of malaysian flight 5180 and so we just heard pr that horrible story, and many of those perished were from smoke inhalation, a ndnd why is so difficult to escape are from a train? >> well, because they haven't had the evolution as aircraft. and the aircraft fleets change much more quickly han the train cars do. many of the train cars we travel are not years old, but decades' old, and we haven't had the emphasis on the roll inging stock as we have on aviation for upgrading and updating and the crash surviveabilitysurvivability, and it is a push in the aviation world and mot the rail world, and that is why the ntsb made passenger survivalability one of the ten things on the ten most wanted list list. >> i have a couple of things in front of me, and i remember in the old, and we did the survival stories, and they said to carry this ning like a bb in the wallet so if you are in water, you can break the window, and jamie wallace said that if if you had this fire extinguisher, and yo

rosenshine along with our cnn aviation correspondent, richard quest and the former faa safety inspector, david soucynks very much. alistair you are a former pilot. you looked at the video. do you think the pilot was actually trying to ditch the plane in the river? what's your analysis? >> well it's rather hard to say whether he was. what i can say for certain is that the atr-72 like all twin engine commercial airliners, is quite capable of flying with one engine out. that's with one engine failed. so we're assuming here they had lost an engine as that seems the type of mayday call. so questions have to be asked why the aircraft was flying an erratic flight path why it descended and the latter stages looks like the left wing there had stalled, causing a very rapid roll to the left. you know the accident investigators will clearly be looking at every aspect of this flight and the training and technical aspect of the aircraft itself but i think i wouldn't be at all surprised if a certain amount of focus isn't on the handling of the aircraft and trying to reproduce this particular failure in the simulat