we have cnn safety analyst david soucie with us. it appears to be. i mean, you tell us what you're seeing in these in these pictures, david. they're from afar. but we could see kind of wheels that are not it looks upside down. >> yeah. it looks to me like some kind of. landing gear issue on the. >> way down. so i. >> but then. >> um. >> it could have slid off the runway to. it's really too preliminary to tell. i don't have very many pictures or videos of it at this point, but it certainly is serious. we know that there are accidents. we don't know if there's any fatalities yet, but we do know that there are injuries. so we're waiting to see right now as to as this unfolds. >> yeah, i guess a positive sign. the camera appears to be shifting elsewhere, but a positive sign. as we were looking at the scene. it did not appear. and there it is again. it did not. it doesn't appear that there are apparent flames, and it doesn't look like there's a ton of activity going on around the fire trucks. in other words, you don't see firefighters racing toward flames.

i want to bring in cnn safety analyst and former faa safety inspector, david soucie. avid, to the point that that richard quest was just making, it's almost miraculous that and based on the team that was in the plane, the safety kind of elements that are on the plane, the fact that at this point in time, there is no loss of life. there are 15 injuries, two that are critical. are you surprised by that? >> you know, everybody keeps saying it's miraculous that there are no fatalities. but i've had a little bit of a different perspective in that i was present at the 1987 crash of a dc nine in denver, which was on its way out, and it ended up crashing on the runway and flipping over upside down. and at that time, these seats, these 16 g seats were not on that dc nine, nor were the breakaway wings. it wasn't designed to break away. so the wings were still on the aircraft. at the time, this aircraft was upside down with passengers in it. so at that time there were 25 fatalities that we were not able to get out of the aircraft in time, and the weight of those wings were contin

i want to bring in david soucie, who's a cnn safety analyst and former faa safety inspector. david, thank you so much for being here with us. um, this of course, this crash has rattled all of us. and i think everyone's hearts just go out to these families who are so focused on on trying to get back their loved ones who are clearly in grief right now for the shocking event. um, what were your thoughts as you were getting information, as you were hearing this information about these recovery efforts? >> i have to say, i'm extremely impressed with the care that they're taking for the recovery crews. that's something that's rarely mentioned is just the stress and the anguish that the the recovery teams go through. but that's not to discount the families and what they're going through as well. and the ntsb has a transportation, uh, group that what they do is they make sure that the families have the same level of counseling and the same level of help as well. so the ntsb has made some great strides forward with that. so, again, uh, the aftermath of these things will last a lifetime

. >> and for more on this, we're joined by david soucie, a cnn safety analyst and a former faa safety inspector. he's speaking with us from denver. david, thank you so much for joining us today. we really appreciate your perspective in all this. let's first talk about the videos right. that ring camera that captured that plane falling down. the dash cam footage we saw from a car as well. um, it's just it's striking the speed that this plane just goes down right into the ground. the data shows the speed of descent was 11,000ft per minute. what can cause a jet to fall out of the sky like that? >> well, there's only a few things that can cause that. it's too early to know exactly what happened yet. but as mary pointed out before, it's not about engine starvation. it's not about some ordinary thing that happens that's recoverable. this was not recoverable. that airplane is completely out of control. one of the things that i speculate about is the fact that in a stall condition. now, on that lear 55, i was involved in the in the stall characteristics check of that aircraft back in the late

and joining us now is cnn's safety analyst, david soucie, who was a safety inspector at the faa. so good to have you here. you are a voice of knowing, and you know exactly how these things go down. what is the first thing you think investigators should look at or will look at? >> well, one. >> thing that. >> stands out to me real clearly is the fact that this aircraft, when he when pete, i think it was the eyewitness said that they hit hard up front. typically if this was an aircraft that had undergone a side a side wind or some kind of gust, you wouldn't describe it as a hit hard like nothing happened before then. so the first thing i'd be looking for is to see if a physical inspection of the airplane to see if the landing gear is still in the in the wing or not in the wheel wells, because that would tell you whether they were extended or not or whether they were crushed on the landing. those are the first things i would look at. also look at the fuselage to see if it has any cracks or bends in it from that hard landing, but that would give you a lot of clues as to what actually

also joining us is the former faa safety inspector, david soucie. just when you when you see this as we're watching these videos come in tonight, so many of them on social media because this is such a crowded area. as danny was noting that we're seeing it from from multiple angles, not just from that ring doorbell camera, but also from dash cam and other people. it just speaks to how populated the area is. what stands out to you as of this hour right now, based on what we know so far? >> well, what what's frightening to watch is the speed at which that aircraft hits the ground. um, there are very few things that can cause that to happen, but it was a total loss of the control of the airplane. and it was shortly after takeoff, which gives you a lot of information. icing can't build up that quickly unless there was ice on the aircraft when it took off. but i've worked on lear jets. i've worked on this model aircraft, the lear 55, a lot as a mechanic in my early career, and there's some unique things about that aircraft. but this jet rescue is very exp

. >> i want to bring in david soucie, a former aviation safety. inspector. david, we now have two very disturbing videos. one from the ring camera, the other from it looks like a vehicle on a major thoroughfare in which we see the aircraft plummeting from. i mean, from this vantage point that we're. this is the latest video, it seems, coming in at an angle from the ring camera. it looks much more of just a kind of plummeting straight down. what stands out to to you, david, what questions do you have at this point? >> well, at. >> this point i'd be looking at weight and balance issues. i've worked on this airplane from the time it first came out. i was an aircraft mechanic and worked on this long horn of the lear 55. i believe it was, but, um, they are really prone to stalling and their weight and balance is extremely critical. even the way that you fuel it with heavy fuel. the wings first, or if you fuel the tail first, if you fuel the tail first, it'll actually literally take the nosewheel off the ground. so it's critically important that that weight and bal

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and david soucie is a former faa safety inspector with us. i do want to draw our attention to the fact, mary, and correct me if i'm wrong here, because we were just catching some of the details there at the top. it sounds like they're saying there were no critical injuries. we had believed that there were in this case earlier, but it's sounding better than we could have hoped. it sounds like. what do you think? >> yeah, that's what it sounds like. i mean, the earlier reports that we had gotten that that there were, i think, 18 injuries and several critical, including a child who was the worst injured. but this is certainly good news. i mean, i worry very much about the children because small people can slide out of that safety belt. and of course, we don't know if this was a baby, a child under two that was being held in the arms of a of a parent or caregiver. so this is indeed good news. and the passenger that we just heard from also gave some some very useful news about how the plane actually landed and that it flipped immediately. so the c

cnn safety analyst david soucie drew some similar observations about what may have caused the crash, including some of those questions about the landing gear. i'd like to play that and get your response. >> here. >> there are a lot of clues that you can see right away. the things i'd be looking at right away are was it a hard landing? we look at the the fact that the the landing gear aren't on the aircraft. so are they there or did they get torn off in the accident? or perhaps they weren't even down at the time. so there's a lot of questions. uh, but i think a quick visual of the aircraft on site would give them a lot of clues as to where this goes. >> mary, you mentioned the fact that you believe that that the landing gear snapped off upon impact, but how could investigators prevent something like this from happening in in the future? is it a matter of deicing the plane, clearing the runway, or simply not flying or landing in conditions as dangerous as the ones you were describing? >> well, you know, every plane has its own limits, and this one has more crosswind limits than, for ex