there was always, already, wonderful pianist mark little, jazz pianist and david sturdevant. the church was in such decline, they decided they would put some resources into music and try something different. >> i came as a member seven years ago, then i was called as associate pastor two years ago. >> i was at your ordination. >> i was surprised you didn't grow up in the church. tell us a little about your background. >> i, i grew up in south central los angeles, i grew up in a family that called itself baptist, but we weren't regular churchgoers. our sunday morning tradition was that we made a huge breakfast, the entire family and we listened to jazz. when i was a child, i thought that was church. you eat a good meal and listen to jazz. imagine my joy when i found this church that had all these wonderful jazz musicians. my parents would take turns playing albums. my mom would play carmen mccrea. >> that's great. well you know, when it comes to music, so vital to the church, as we know, but how did the church make such a transition? some churches battle whether they're going