let's talk more about this now with peace activist david swanson who heads the group world beyond. boy, you're very welcome. thanks for coming on david. them. america's not saying it's pulling its troops out of afghanistan because of a growing threat from russia and china to do you buy into that. so of course not there is no growing threat or striking threat or threat of any sort from anywhere on earth to the u. s military, which is an expense almost equal to all the others put together with russia at 7 or 8 percent of it a year and, and china add around 14 percent of the us and its allies on weapons customers. but the u. s. has never in many, many years ended or even scaled back a war without making any grounds for escalating or starting a new war. because to do so would be to challenge the idea of war, which is absolutely taboo. if not in comprehensible in u. s. society. generally hyphen he's speaking went on to describe rushers, a short term risk, and also said that china was a longer term threat to the main buy that she think you have to translate threat to into propaganda tool.

s. military moving forward, we bring and david swanson, executive director of world beyond war. i have to ask you, this is a very, very intimidating bird, very technologically advanced at the time that it was created. do you think that there's actually more of a future for the 35 than just being very expensive lawn art? well, i think as long as the u. s. congress and white house are doing the bidding of lockheed martin both as customers and as dealers. imposing this monstrosity on other governments around the world. the answer will be yes and it won't matter whether the thing is a failure on its own terms. of course, i don't want it to time go out. it doesn't have engines. i'm glad i can't fly. i'm glad it's a disaster because the thing, if it worked, it's supposed to be on offensive, not a defensive, insane, still potentially nuclear war starter and the new russian plane and the other planes made in the u. s. and in other countries that are in the same line, same thing. these are things we shouldn't want to work, but the f 35 is the star is the standout that not working well. a